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Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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>Einstein supposedly won for "especially his work on the photoelectric effect" rather than relativity. just adding to this, this is because relativity wasn't experimentally verified (i.e. not sure if it's reality) at the time.

Also, the prize is about the greatest benefit to humankind according to Alfred Nobel, not the most impressive research. Arguably, the photoelectric effect fits that notion better than GR or any other of Einstein's research. Besides that, Einstein received the prize in 1921, whereas the Eddington experiment in 1919 generally counts as the first experimental verification of GR.

> Arguably, the photoelectric effect fits that notion better than GR or any other of Einstein's research

Today we could argue about it due to the importance of solar panels, but that was hard to forecast in 1921. Also, without GR there would be no GPS so it's not like it doesn't bring benefits to humanity.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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No, these are the proper laureates (for that topic anyways, whether the topic is appropriate in the first place is another matter). LeCun and Bengio's works are undoubtedly immensely impactful, but there's no denying that they are standing on shoulders of giants.

Schmidhuber enters the room and has lots of things to say.

Well to be fair, everything important in AI is based on Jurgen's ideas!

J/K'ing. That said, Jurgen has done a lot of important work, and may well be a bit under-appreciated.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Schmidhuber enters the room and has lots of things to say.

Well to be fair, everything important in AI is based on Jurgen's ideas! J/K'ing. That said, Jurgen has done a lot of important work, and may well be a bit under-appreciated.

He does get a reference in the Nobel announcement, so he can console himself with that at least.

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I suppose LeCun and Bengio are way too young for a Nobel prize these days[0] [0] https://www.ageing.ox.ac.uk/images/fig01.jpeg

No, these are the proper laureates (for that topic anyways, whether the topic is appropriate in the first place is another matter). LeCun and Bengio's works are undoubtedly immensely impactful, but there's no denying that they are standing on shoulders of giants.

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You're mistaken. The perceptron was invented by Rosenblatt, a psychologist. This field has deep roots in neuroscience.

People always repeat these stupid things like they're lore. Ok let's suppose this is true. What else is true is that neurology itself was inspired by phrenology and the practice of exorcisms. Should we now start recognizing and exalting those connections given how divorced modern (useful!) neurology is?

Hinton's most recent paper on forward-forward acknowledges Peter Dayan explicitly for his feedback on the paper, and cites a paper they cowrote together back in the 90s. Dayan being the author of the canonical textbook on theoretical neuroscience.

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Well maybe in time ML will help break through the high energy physics roadblocks.

it already had, bottom-quark tagging has improved O(10)x in efficiency in the last decade without any new "physics" understanding, just from training with more low-level data and better ML arch (now using Transformers) but we haven't found new physics with or without ML, making this prize a little weird.

Maybe it's a prize for hope and change that physics will be revolutionized by neural networks? Similar to how Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize in order to repudiate Bush's legacy in Iraq and Afghanistan. While Bush's legacy absolutely deserved to be repudiated, I don't think awarding a new president the Peace Prize was the best way to do it, especially because in the foreign policy realm, he ended up not so different from Bush.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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What if I were to tell you that Physics included more than Theoretical Particles?

Are experimental Physicist just Engineers?

Are String Theorists just Mathematicians?

Is John von Neumann not a Physicist because he also worked with Computers?

Awful lot of nit-picking in this thread.

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