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Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by parodysbird »

hnfong wrote: post #387
parodysbird wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but they have made no contribution to understanding physical laws or phenomena. Neural networks are used in tons of data pipelines for physics experiments, most notably with particle accelerators. The Nobel Prize is also occasionally awarded to engineers who develop tools that are important parts of experiments. 2018 for example was awarded for chirped pulse amplification, which is probably best known for being use…

> Neural networks are used in tons of data pipelines for physics experiments With this argument you could even say Bill Gates should get an award for inventing Windows and popularized the desktop computer... Or at least Linus Torvalds since those pipelines are probably running Linux...

No you couldn't. Windows doesn't have any bearing on outcomes, whereas machine learning methods directly impact the data and probability inference.

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Post by Anon84 »

muratgozel wrote: post #375

Just watched the nobel prize live stream, surprised by the topic, looks very engineering to me rather than physics, do algorithms make physics subsidiary?

Both Hopefield Networks and Boltzmann machines trace their origins and motivations to Statistical Mechanics and Spin Glasses.

Coincidently, Giorgio Parisi got the 2021 Nobel prize for his work on spin glasses

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Post by mannykannot »

iandanforth wrote: post #317
kuschku wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The economics prize is not a Nobel prize.

"Although not one of the five Nobel Prizes established by Alfred Nobel's will in 1895, it is commonly referred to as the Nobel Prize in Economics, and is administered and referred to along with the Nobel Prizes by the Nobel Foundation. Winners of the Prize in Economic Sciences are chosen in a similar manner as and announced alongside the Nobel Prize recipients, and receive the Prize in Economic Sciences at the Nobel…

That's all true, but it doesn't do anything to diminish my suspicion that there is a fair amount of coattail-riding behind it.

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Post by hillsboroughman »

I wonder if they ever gave a Physics Nobel to a person who held a patent! People like Graham Bell never got recognized by the Nobel people. I get the impression that Physics Nobel prizes were more or less given only to University professors. They didnt seem to particularly care for people with grease on their hands

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Post by dagw »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #57
vichle wrote: post #44

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Could you elaborate, which wars did he start? (honest question)

Tangential to your question but not the premise of this subthread/post - he became president in Feb 2009 and got the award in October. I don't think he started any new wars, but he inherited some and continued. Anyway, the point here should be the absurdity of a lot of Nobel awards and that stands - especially in his case. I mean Trump was nominated for the award for fuck's sake! More than 2 or 3 times iirc. So anywa…

I mean Trump was nominated for the award for fuck's sake

Being nominated only means that one of thousands of people allowed to nominated candidates wrote your name on a piece of paper and mailed it in. There is at least one right wing Swedish politician who's been sending in Trumps name every year for a while now.

The Nobel peace prize committee is not really responsible for nominating candidates[1], only for selecting a winner from the list of nominated candidates.

[1] Although I believe they are allowed to suggest names.

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Post by lucaslucasluke »

varjag wrote: post #64
karavelov wrote: post #39

Waiting for Sabine's comment: "Told you so, physics is dead"

Naturally she's not happy https://x.com/skdh/status/1843592351736050053

Could you copy and paste her post in here? I'm brazilian and our STF overlords have decided that we shall not access twitter anymore

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Post by scarmig »

elcomet wrote: post #289
littlestymaar wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a source loose of inspiration for sure, but it still have nothing to do with neurosciences. “Neural” network are as close to actual nervous system as the “Democratic” Republic of Korea is to democracy.

You're mistaken. The perceptron was invented by Rosenblatt, a psychologist. This field has deep roots in neuroscience.

McCulloch and Rumelhart were psychologists as well.
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