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Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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To be fair, Nobel Prize has a history of expanding the traditional bounds of respective fields when awarding the prizes: Bertrand Russel got the Nobel prize in literature Daniel Kahneman got Nobel in economics

Bob Dylan on literature was another "hmm" one. Not against nor in favor, it was just an unexpected awardee.

Bob Dylan is the Boomer poet laureate.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

#272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Altough of course you're right, let's play devil's advocate an imagine a world without Nobel prices. Laypeople needs a simple way to know who's who in advanced research fields, without Nobel prices (or any other commitee) we don't get to have that. If people gets to ignore (more) such topics, it's likely politicians, and universities react accordingly, and funnel funds to other enterprises. All these prices (I'd say…

>> Laypeople needs a simple way to know who's who in advanced research fields, without Nobel prices (or any other commitee) we don't get to have that. I think first you're underestimating "laypeople" which seems to include many scientists who are not physicists, and second you are forgetting that many of the scientists the "lay" public knows as the greatest of all times never received a Nobel, or any other famous pri…

Einstein received the Nobel prize:

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/1921/summary/

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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When the most significant advance since electrification needs to hop the fence to be recognized, perhaps it's time to add a new field. It can be done, the Economics prize was added in 1968.

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Just wait till you hear what they built with all the things we learned about atoms and energy in the 30s and 40s!

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Three off the top of my head: The measurement of the Hubble constant using delay times between multiple images of lensed supernovae. The first transit spectrum of an exoplanet atmosphere. The first directly imaged exoplanet. (They could hand out Nobel Prizes in the field of exoplanets like candy.)

Exoplanet science is not physics, it's chemistry or planetary science. By your logic prizes to teams who send probes to the outer solar system planets could also be given prizes.

I would argue that the first measurements of exoplanets' existence is definitely physics. This was a leap in our understanding of the makeup of the universe.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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"He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan." https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/

> "He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan." https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/ A bit different from "started a war".

Just because those countries could not realistically engage in a war with the US, seeing as they lack the necessary technology. Obviously, if you shoot fish in a barrel you're not starting a war with the fish, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're doing much to advance peace with the fish.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

#276

When the most significant advance since electrification needs to hop the fence to be recognized, perhaps it's time to add a new field. It can be done, the Economics prize was added in 1968.

Nice idea. You could also have a Nobel prize in applied mathematics, perhaps? This would cover ML and physics. That said, your idea would make physicists less outraged.

This is unlikely to ever happen, because Nobel explicitly excluded mathematics from the list of prizes in his will. There are plenty of awards and prizes for every field imaginable, not everything has to be a Nobel prize to be worthy of recognition.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

#277

When the most significant advance since electrification needs to hop the fence to be recognized, perhaps it's time to add a new field. It can be done, the Economics prize was added in 1968.

the economics prize is not 'official', it was established by the Swedish National Bank in honor to Alfred Nobel.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

#278

When the most significant advance since electrification needs to hop the fence to be recognized, perhaps it's time to add a new field. It can be done, the Economics prize was added in 1968.

Nice idea. You could also have a Nobel prize in applied mathematics, perhaps? This would cover ML and physics. That said, your idea would make physicists less outraged.

Then again, its just mathturbation, but standalone and it can pretend to have a theory of everything, so fits well into the field.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

#279

I've always sided with Feynman on this, and this proves him right: wtf do these people think they are appointing themselves fit to hand out trinkets and baubles on behalf of global scientific achievement? It brings the award into disrepute, or at least in a Feynman way, exposes the inherent disreputability of awards themselves: who are they to award such a prize on behalf of physics? Awards committees: self-serving s…

In the old days, you’d get a knighthood or a peerage for such achievements.

But honestly, I’d still prefer cash.

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