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Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by yreg »

elashri wrote: post #66

As a physicist, my reaction to this is how bizarre is that. Maybe he deserves a nobel prize but in physics? Also arguing that NN is used in physics so we can argue nobel prize is okay is like asking for Stephan Wolfram to be awarded Nobel prize for Mathematica which is much more used in physics as a tool. And he is a physicist and had contributions to the field of numerical relativity (The reason he created Mathemati…

> Maybe he deserves a nobel prize but in physics?

Which category fits better?

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Post by benrapscallion »

programjames wrote: post #42

This is embarrassing. I would say Hopfield networks aren't even very revolutionary in neuroscience, but they're so old I can't tell. In terms of AI... they've been irrelevant for thirty years. I guess you could argue a transformer is a generalized Hopfield network, but of course that's a post-hoc understanding. None of this has anything to do with physics. So what if an energy function lets you approximate the number…

This is the only plausible reason:

“These artificial neural networks have been used to advance research across physics topics as diverse as particle physics, materials science, and astrophysics,” Ellen Moons, chair of the Nobel Committee for Physics, said at a press conference this morning.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by elashri »

aeonik wrote: post #213
danielbarla wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The economics of this topic have always been interesting to me, especially when compared to various other fields. What is there to incentivize people to enter STEM fields, and especially research? As a point of comparison, there are ~540 premier league football players, with an average salary of 3.5 million pounds. (Yes, that's average, not median, but there's less than 20 of them that earn under 200k.) It's not _tha…

If Physicists could split atoms with only their arms and legs with some safety equipment, I bet they would get paid even more than 3.5 million pound salary.

If this was true then we would find that jobs with physical labor pays much more than what it currently pays.

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Post by Separo »

seydor wrote: post #203
eleveriven wrote: post #149

A profound moment where physics, neuroscience and artificial intelligence intersect.

very little to do with neuroscience

Except that the development of deep neural networks took direct inspiration biological neuroscience with neurons and synapses. Neural is even in the name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_learning

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by evandrofisico »

aquafox wrote: post #6

"This year’s laureates used tools from physics to construct methods that helped lay the foundation for today’s powerful machine learning." Does this mean if I'd use a deep understanding of birds to design way more aerodynamic airplanes, I could get the Nobel prize in physiology/medicine? Don't get me wrong, their work is probably prize worthy, but shouldn't the Nobel prize in physics be awarded for discoveries in the…

I IS a physics problem. Non physicists tend of think that the only areas being studied are high energy and/or cosmology, but modern physics covers a multitude of areas, including complex systems.

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Post by twic »

nabla9 wrote: post #79

Most commenters here don't know that Boltzmann machines and associative memories existed in condensed matter physics long before they were used in cognitive science or AI. The Sherrington–Kirkpatrick model of spin glass is a Hopfield network with random initialization. Boltzmann machine is Sherrington–Kirkpatrick model with external field. This is price in physics given to novel use of stochastic spin-glass modelling…

So if they used a genetic algorithm, they could have got the prize for biology?

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Post by chipdart »

chrsw wrote: post #212

Hinton was never going to win the Nobel Prize while working for Google, right?

> Hinton was never going to win the Nobel Prize while working for Google, right?

This conspiracy theory makes no sense. Nobel prizes are awarded based on someone's life's work.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by raincole »

Separo wrote: post #235
seydor wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

very little to do with neuroscience

Except that the development of deep neural networks took direct inspiration biological neuroscience with neurons and synapses. Neural is even in the name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_learning

still, very little to do with neuroscience
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