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Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Re: Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Post by verdverm »

stonethrowaway wrote: post #15
paulddraper wrote: post #6

I'm surprise the article didn't mention the US military history. The US Army has not had a evolution of its attack helicopter since the 1970s. I remember because one of my favorite childhood games was Comanche 3. [1] Control a helicopter, not crash, not get shot down, neutralize enemies, and achieve mission objectives -- it was cutting-edge for 1997. The Comanche program was scrapped after more than a decade of devel…

Between that, F-22, JSF, Hind and A10, we had some great great games that decade. Still miss Fighter Ace on MSN Gaming Zone.

VTOL VR is a pretty great VR first mil flight sim. It has f-18, f-35, and apache like vehicles. They recently introduced wind effects and EW. Allegedly the radar cross-sectioning is better than DCIS (actually accounts for orientation towards the radar)

Re: Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Post by aspenmayer »

verdverm wrote: post #29
aspenmayer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perun seems to know his stuff. That said, I’d be curious to know more about his research process, as well as that of other Russia-Ukraine war mappers/vloggers. Determining whether grainy drone footage is current or past alone seems difficult to me as an outsider and fan of their work, though I wish it weren’t necessary and that the war were over.

Perun brings lots of citations and discusses his sources regularly, and always adds caveats. I wouldn't liken his weekly video to those of the daily mappers or telegram video collectors. Very different kinds of content.

I wasn’t meaning to compare them negatively and I don’t really follow other channels on that topic besides maybe Task & Purpose I think it’s called. Not dismissing anything Perun or others have done, just acknowledging that it’s hard to reason about how he goes about gathering the info. I hear him saying he does research, but not the process.

Re: Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Post by [deleted] »

foota wrote: post #22
krunck wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will be when there are AI controlled aircraft/drones that can exceed the G-force limits that humans require and can thus out maneuver any human controlled fighter.

This doesn't seem right to me. The limiting factor here is the ability of an air to air missile to hit a target (and to find the target in the first place). A drone might be more survivable (if it's better at avoiding missiles because of the G-forces etc.,.), but it shouldn't be any better at destroying an enemy jet, right? That theoretical highly maneuverable drone with a highly advanced sensor suite isn't going to…

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Re: Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Post by the_af »

verdverm wrote: post #4

Better discussion by Perun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnoKpXvj41A (there is a saying or word for titles as questions, and the answer is always no)

That video by Perun is 2 years old, while TFA is from today. Surely there have been additional lessons learned in two years?

Re: Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Post by ponector »

hollerith wrote: post #3
bhouston wrote: post #2

I think most manned war vehicles are dead now. We are definitely entering into the era of drone-vs-human warfare. Drones are cheap and deadly and can be remotely operated, and soon probably operated by AI.

Yeah, well, the Ukrainian army is on record saying they'd rather have more artillery shells than more drones.

That means only they need more shells at the moment than drones. Ukraine has capacity to produce enough FPV drones.

Re: Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Post by bhouston »

bamboozled wrote: post #8
bhouston wrote: post #2

I think most manned war vehicles are dead now. We are definitely entering into the era of drone-vs-human warfare. Drones are cheap and deadly and can be remotely operated, and soon probably operated by AI.

Fighter jets, gone ?

It is coming regardless:

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/04/19/us-air-force-stag...

https://www.freethink.com/robots-ai/ai-fighter-pilot#:~:text....

Re: Is the attack helicopter dead?

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Post by goodluckchuck »

siliconc0w wrote: post #32

Whoever can most cost effectively put explosives on target wins. The future will be annihilation at a distance with cheap standoff weapons followed by swarms of cheap drones loitering over battlefields to clean up.

Yeah. The archetypal “second amendment” weapon… the kind any regular American would need to hold his own was a musket, then a rifle, then lever or auto loader, then an M16. Now it’s a drone. A man or crew out in the country with AR15s are Don Quixote tilting at windmills with the advent of cheap drones.
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