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Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by lotsofpulp »

silisili wrote: post #42
FormerBandmate wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BlackBerry was a huge player. They declined, as with Nokia, entirely because they didn’t use a platform

Well, their problems were manifold and I think the movie does a decent job explaining them. Highly recommend, if you haven't seen it yet. They didn't evolve, took the iPhone as a joke, and when finally playing catch-up, the hardware was awful. If they'd have seen the writing on the wall and responded in kind, I think we'd have all three players around today. Nokia...I don't even want to talk about. I'm still half con…

Like all “based on a true story” or whatever movies/tv shows, the BlackBerry movie has a lot of fiction:

https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/blackberry/

There is no way for a viewer to know which parts are real or fake, so watching it is not going to help educate.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by brylie »

tpoacher wrote: post #92

I used to own a Jolla phone, and there was something magical about it. At the time, their ideas and execution were a breath of fresh air, and the experience was amazing even despite some unavoidable teething problems. I happily used it as my daily driver for about 2 years, proudly showing it off to friends at every opportunity, and not wanting to switch to another phone. Now, as such things go, many of the unique ide…

> Jolla had to close

From the best I can tell, Jolla is still an active company:

https://jolla.com/

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by Topfi »

transpute wrote: post #104

With DIY effort, Blackberry keyboard fans can attach a BB Q10 keyboard to modern phones, https://liliputing.com/fairberry-lets-you-attach-a-blackberr... & https://github.com/Dakkaron/Fairberry There's also the HackBerry cyberdeck with Pi Zero 2W and original BB keyboard, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41138701 & https://github.com/ZitaoTech/Hackberry-Pi_Zero

For something a bit more streamlined, I can recommend Clicks [0] which is a well thought out keyboard case for current iPhones.

[0] https://www.clicks.tech/

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by transpute »

Topfi wrote: post #113
transpute wrote: post #104

With DIY effort, Blackberry keyboard fans can attach a BB Q10 keyboard to modern phones, https://liliputing.com/fairberry-lets-you-attach-a-blackberr... & https://github.com/Dakkaron/Fairberry There's also the HackBerry cyberdeck with Pi Zero 2W and original BB keyboard, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41138701 & https://github.com/ZitaoTech/Hackberry-Pi_Zero

For something a bit more streamlined, I can recommend Clicks [0] which is a well thought out keyboard case for current iPhones. [0] https://www.clicks.tech/

DIY enables original Blackberry keyboard. How does the Clicks keyboard compare?

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by necovek »

bsimpson wrote: post #57

Did something happen that made Sailfish relevant again? Surprised to see it on the front page today. It's unfortunate that they're taking a closed source model when others like System76 and Librem are using their hardware sales to fund open source development. There's also webOS, which was originally funded by Palm and doesn't seem to have any open source development any longer, and the Maui project which is basicall…

TBH, I prefer all of WebOS (on HP Pre 3), Maemo/Meego (on Nokia N9 and N900) and Ubuntu Touch (on Meizu MX4) over Android for the UX qualities.

Obviously, they lacked in phone hardware and app selection, but basic experience was unmatched.

IIRC, Sailfish was inspired or derived from Maemo, so I wouldn't be surprised it took some great stuff with it.

Hitting the critical mass is tricky without having hundreds of millions to lose before you "validate" your experiment: Nokia was at that point with N9 release (to a wide acclaim in reviews too), but shifted right after that release fully to Microsoft Windows straight to their demise.

Canonical pulled out quickly as well, and well, HP Pre 3 didn't even make it to the market (WebOS changed hands weeks before the release).

I actually used each of these phones for a couple of years, and that was so much smoother (OS-wise) than Android. Never used iOS for a longer period to make any claim there (though if I go by MacOS, it's much hype for nothing).

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by andimm »

ZuLuuuuuu wrote: post #108
rickdeckard wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also webOS, which was originally funded by Palm and doesn't seem to have any open source development any longer, After a short stint at HP, webOS is now owned by LG, they use it as the OS for their Home Entertainment (TVs, projectors,...) and nowadays also as an Automotive OS platform. Open Source: https://www.webosose.org/

I cannot get pass the cookie screen without "accept all". I cannot find "accept selected" or something like that.

I have the option "show details" and there to choose "strictly necessary". (on mobile Safari and Desktop Edge, Desktop Firefox blocks the cookie screen automatically)

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by necovek »

ZuLuuuuuu wrote: post #108
rickdeckard wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also webOS, which was originally funded by Palm and doesn't seem to have any open source development any longer, After a short stint at HP, webOS is now owned by LG, they use it as the OS for their Home Entertainment (TVs, projectors,...) and nowadays also as an Automotive OS platform. Open Source: https://www.webosose.org/

I cannot get pass the cookie screen without "accept all". I cannot find "accept selected" or something like that.

If you click "analytics" checkbox, button above changes from "accept all" to "save & proceed".

Unchecking it again hopefully does what you desire.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by m4rtink »

happosai wrote: post #73
vrinsd wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Sailfish guys are actually the creators of libhybris. If you run SailfishOS you have to first have Android flashed onto the phone. They use the same kernel, camera drivers, GPU drivers, etc as the original OEM including the prorprietary wireless BLOBs and the Android Radio-Interface-Layer ("RIL"). I've spoken to the Sailfish guys awhile back and I get why they did this -- 10+ years ago there was basically no choi…

Libhybris is great for making a tech demo. I wouldn't base a product on such hack, anymore than sell Linux laptops with ndiswrapper... If something doesn't work in the binary android drivers, the vendor won't help you (we support only android, sir). Nor can you fix the drivers yourself, because you don't have the sources or the knowledge how drivers work.

All the phones sold with Sailfish OS & all the officially supported Xperias used libhybris - same with most unofficial ports. While not ideal, it works reasonably well - saying that as someone who has been using a Sailfish OS device as primary phone since 2013.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by m4rtink »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #49
sillystuff wrote: post #36

Apparently Sailfish is using libhybris. I looked at the libhybris page and a few other sources, but am unsure how much of Android is implied when using libhybris. Random person on Internet claimed it is a minimal, but complete, Android user space install, but my reading of the libhybris page doesn't seem to imply that. The libhybris page does imply some of Android user space. A (probably out of date) Android kernel w…

Android apps on Sailfish were rarely usable, if they worked at all. One issue I remember, because it caused us a lot of grief was GPS. The android app would not get an accurate fix unless a Sailfish app first woke up the GPS and obtained an accurate lock.

Well, again, while not covering all aspects of mobile apps, it could run Android apps at a time no other mobile Linux (or any other non-Android device could do it).

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by m4rtink »

openplatypus wrote: post #88
izacus wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most banks here in Europe require Mobile apps to login into their website.

If you bank requires it, you can: a) find different bank that doesn't; there are banks like this b) demand a hardware token Unless you explicitly sign for Mobile-only bank (neobanks are weird) you will be able to get hardware token. Speaking from German, UK and Polish experience.

Yeah, while they certainly try to push it, I don t know about any Czech bank that would force you to use a mobile app.
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