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Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#71

Post by gbraad »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #70
gbraad wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they are using waydroid... nice! Use this myself a lot on Linux-based tablets/computers, like the Legion GO. Wonder how well this integrates with the (edit: Sailfish) OS. Unfortunately, this also does not do screenlocks and therefore has security restrictions and certain apps refuse to work properly.

The good thing is waydroid is fully open source. So you can add OS integrations yourself too. It's not too difficult imo.

I get your point: "patches are welcome", but I meant to understand what it does with Sailfish besides launching applications. Android and MeeGo had the idea of intents, like sending a file through a certain application. Also, the filesystems are probably separated.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#72

Post by stiray »

desdenova wrote: post #3

I wish it was feasible to have alternative mobile systems, but it's not really. You can't simply give up every popular app for a system nobody else uses or develops for. Sailfish has Android emulation, but good luck running banking apps without Google SafetyNet. Even pure Android ROMs, like LineageOS, can't do that. Also good luck with proprietary firmware for mobile networking and cameras. Another thing that usually…

Yep, if you capitulate from the start than nothing changes. And you as a user are giving them a chance to lock you into custom OTPs (that are just little changed standard OTP to force you to use their app so they can track you, steal your contacts and god knows what else (i have reversed it, got the seed and i am running it from shell as I was sick of it) even if they have a classic web page.

Everyone just agreed that it is fine if certificates are no longer used for web apps (even with a fully standardized pkcs#12 tokens), everyone just agreed that bank is using some non-standard otp generator, everyone just agreed with everything. Now you will soon have to pay heating in car on monthly basis.

Stop agreeing. Start complaining. Now and you.

Sailfish on Sony Xperia 10 works like a charm, with working things that even modded roms are having issue with.

If you fight it back... I am running my banking app (that they have even if they also have a web based app) for 4 years now without any issues, they did a major rewrite in between, but quite frankly in most of cases Safety-net is just a bunch of sand into eyes of security, if implemented right it might have impact but at the end most of banking banks are reducing it to if statement (that i patched).

Yep, true that normal user cant do this, but this is users call. Complain to financial ombudsman, complain to the bank, demand a way for you to authenticate if you are paying for the product, complain bank supporting phone monopoly etc.

Harass developers that decided to verify if phone is rooted, prove in media that they are just a bunch of kids having a boner on security they don't understand (which is a huge fact in all annoying login schemes, from mail to sms etc., OTP was more than enough (sms... giggling... ss7 access on tor for 500 dollars monthly)

Actually you are addressing wrong problem. It starts somewhere else, when you want to use Bluetooth hardware that has a custom app to use it and you cant use it on Sailfish while you cant use it in Android layer as there is no bluetooth pass-trough. Here I vote with my wallet, not buying such devices and waiting for Sailfish to implement it.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#73

Post by happosai »

vrinsd wrote: post #50
sillystuff wrote: post #36

Apparently Sailfish is using libhybris. I looked at the libhybris page and a few other sources, but am unsure how much of Android is implied when using libhybris. Random person on Internet claimed it is a minimal, but complete, Android user space install, but my reading of the libhybris page doesn't seem to imply that. The libhybris page does imply some of Android user space. A (probably out of date) Android kernel w…

The Sailfish guys are actually the creators of libhybris. If you run SailfishOS you have to first have Android flashed onto the phone. They use the same kernel, camera drivers, GPU drivers, etc as the original OEM including the prorprietary wireless BLOBs and the Android Radio-Interface-Layer ("RIL"). I've spoken to the Sailfish guys awhile back and I get why they did this -- 10+ years ago there was basically no choi…

Libhybris is great for making a tech demo. I wouldn't base a product on such hack, anymore than sell Linux laptops with ndiswrapper...

If something doesn't work in the binary android drivers, the vendor won't help you (we support only android, sir). Nor can you fix the drivers yourself, because you don't have the sources or the knowledge how drivers work.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by saidinesh5 »

gbraad wrote: post #71
saidinesh5 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good thing is waydroid is fully open source. So you can add OS integrations yourself too. It's not too difficult imo.

I get your point: "patches are welcome", but I meant to understand what it does with Sailfish besides launching applications. Android and MeeGo had the idea of intents, like sending a file through a certain application. Also, the filesystems are probably separated.

Filesystems are separated but i used to bind mount Folders like Documents, Downloads, Pictures etc.. into the Android container.. thereby sharing the important data.

Other integrations could include making sure your contacts between Android and Sailfish are in sync.

Not sure what the status of notifications is.

Keeping the clipboards in sync.

Half of these things can be "hacked into" by using something like kde connect in the waydroid container.

Integration with Android intents like share etc .. would be stretching it..

It'd still be nice to do it properly.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#76

Post by wluu »

bsimpson wrote: post #57

Did something happen that made Sailfish relevant again? Surprised to see it on the front page today. It's unfortunate that they're taking a closed source model when others like System76 and Librem are using their hardware sales to fund open source development. There's also webOS, which was originally funded by Palm and doesn't seem to have any open source development any longer, and the Maui project which is basicall…

Speaking of webOS, it's making it's way into some of the latest EVs from Hyundai/KIA

https://www.lg.com/global/mobility/media-center/press-releas...

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by vrinsd »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #64
vrinsd wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you use Plasma on a phone or tablet? If phone, can you say which hardware platform and how "well" it works as an actual phone, making calls, texting, etc?

The basics of making phone calls, texting etc .. all work well on most of the devices - official/community supported. Older one plus devices, Motorola devices. The guy who ports to some Motorola phones simply doesn't give up and keeps maintaining his ports up to date. Here's the status of various devices: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris

Are you saying that Plasma Mobile runs on any device that is supported by libhybris?

I was asking about Plasma Mobile ( https://plasma-mobile.org/get/ ) that the parent mentioned switching to and I wasn't aware that libhybris is a requirement.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by Tor3 »

gbraad wrote: post #51
SanjayMehta wrote: post #48

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I have two Jolla phones left over from when they launched in India, years ago. I vaguely remember there was an India specific phone running Sailfish as well, but by that time my company was no longer working with mobile applications. We ported several proprietary telco Linux tools to Jolla but it turned out using a laptop with a 3G dongle was more convenient than a tiny low res screen (big surprise). I’m not sure why…

Yep, economics. They used to even have their own phone, but soon moved to repurposing Xperia devices. Not sure if there was a relation between Ericsson and Jolla employees, but this would not amaze me. Note: I have worked a lot on MeeGo and Maemo before this. I only had Sailfish running on my N950s, so can't judge the final devices. Wish I could ...

I'm using an Xperia 10 III w/Sailfish now, but honestly I liked the Jolla phone I had previously much better. Unfortunately the latter eventually developed an electrical glitch which made it useless and I had to replace it. The Xperia is way way too long, and with other physical things I don't like - but that was the only option if I wanted full Android support (as I had with the Jolla phone). And it doesn't handle the camera very well (it can take many seconds before it actually takes the photo, and there seems to be other issues too). It also didn't handle a Japanese SIM card very well, unlike the old Jolla one. Other than that it works fine, but there's definitely room for improvements.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#80

Post by izacus »

lobochrome wrote: post #37
izacus wrote: post #25

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Most banks here in Europe require Mobile apps to login into their website.

As far as I have evidence, that is not true in Germany. I have accounts with three banks, and all of them can be managed with SMS 2FA and web access.

The SMS 2FA is mostly being phased out because it's horribly insecure :/

And many banks stopped providing hardware tokens as well because it's too expensive.

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