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XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by YarickR2 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #60
pjerem wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love XFCE but nowadays it’s unbearable on a HiDPI screen. And so I discovered that Cinnamon is also a very good option when it comes to « a better Windows 2000 ui ». It’s also not incredible on HiDPI but at least Cinnamon is pretty good at not breaking everything when you increase font size by 150 or 200%. On XFCE if you do this everything becomes ugly.

KDE is really excellent on HiDPI. Running it here on a 4K 24" screen and it looks amazing

What monitor do you use ? 24" 4K is such a rare thing these days ; I'm using cheapo LG , but I always look out if there's something better

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by cwillu »

panick21_ wrote: post #72
exe34 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on X11 still and completely ignored the train wreck, hoping it'll go away eventually.

X11 is basically already unsupported, pretty much all the developers moved to Wayland. Even the BSD and everybody else relaying on X11 has noticed that and they know they can't maintain X11 by themselves. It will 100x not go away, there is no way. Literally all big stakeholder both open source (Gnome, KDE, Fedora and so on) and companies like Valve are all in on Wayland. The reality is, X11 is a complete train wreck…

You say X11 is unsupported, and I note with glee that X11 hasn't _broken_ for me _since_ they stopped supporting it.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by Rapzid »

pjerem wrote: post #50
dingdingdang wrote: post #20

Genuinely find XFCE the only pragmatic option when it comes to "no-fiddling-just-working-and-lightweight" WMs in Linux/BSD land - it's basically like a better Windows 2000 UI with sane defaults throughout. Thanks so much to the devs involved in keeping XFCE up to date. This is major good news.

I love XFCE but nowadays it’s unbearable on a HiDPI screen. And so I discovered that Cinnamon is also a very good option when it comes to « a better Windows 2000 ui ». It’s also not incredible on HiDPI but at least Cinnamon is pretty good at not breaking everything when you increase font size by 150 or 200%. On XFCE if you do this everything becomes ugly.

HiDPI pushed me to run Mint for a while, then multi-monitor issues with hiDPI finally pushed me to WSL.

Been using WSL full time for over a year and have no plans to go back..

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by braiamp »

darren0 wrote: post #68

The transition to Wayland also seems to correlate with the adoption of client side decorations (CSD). This "modern" approach destroys the traditional UX of XFCE as seen by recent changes in the settings manager. I fear for the future of XFCE. The advantage of XFCE for me has always been that it's a stable implementation of a traditional Win98/XP UX. I hope they don't adopt more Gnome3 patterns.

What has this to do with wayland or XFCE? The only major DE that is using client side decorations is gnome. This has been true since 2018:

> I heard that GNOME is currently trying to lobby for all applications implementing CSD. One of the arguments seems to be that CSD is a must on Wayland. That’s of course not the case. Nothing in Wayland enforces CSD. Wayland itself is as ignorant about this as X11. [...] In fact we created a protocol (supported by GTK) that allows to negotiate with the Wayland compositor whether to use CSD or SSD.

From https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2018/01/server-side-d...

Wayland is agnostic, and it's up to the compositor and application to decide what to do while operating under wayland.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by Aachen »

bongodongobob wrote: post #36
zekica wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox on X11 works fine if you enable media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled in about:config

Y'all need to remember this in those threads when you say Linux just works and MS's registry is stupid and needs tweaking to work right.

I'm surprised people are saying this because Firefox works perfectly fine on X11 for me without config tweaks

If your hardware is supported (e.g. WiFi chips and GPUs are definitely a valid concern), I know of no post-install config that Debian with Cinnamon needs that you'd not also need to do on Windows, and Microsoft will put ads in your start menu for the trouble of buying their license at that

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by Aachen »

valeg wrote: post #96

Xfce is not perfect but pretty close (in *nix realm); it is a stable WIMP desktop environment. Everything where you expect it to be, no excessive feature creep, stable. It is like a tool, I love it. I wish it had a better brand. Too nerdy.

For anyone else not in the know

> In human–computer interaction, WIMP stands for "windows, icons, menus, pointer" —https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing)

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by akdor1154 »

kelnos wrote: post #17

To be clear here, we don't have a compositor yet. I've done a little work on it, but it won't be usable for at least a year, maybe (probably) longer. 4.20 will let you run some of our components on another compositor. We mostly test with Wayfire and Labwc, as our compositor will also be using wlroots.

(uninformed outsider) have you considered reaching out to the System76 folks? They are also setting out doing a Wayland compositor for a (decreasingly) gtk-based desktop and are reasonably far along on this goal. I wonder if their compositor would suit your needs?

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by lupusreal »

bongodongobob wrote: post #36
zekica wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox on X11 works fine if you enable media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled in about:config

Y'all need to remember this in those threads when you say Linux just works and MS's registry is stupid and needs tweaking to work right.

Firefox works fine on X11 without that setting, but perf ricers will always find something to tweak and complain about on any platform. You can bet some Windows users of Firefox have settings that Firefox is ""unusable"" without too. A certain segment of the population will apply this sort of audiophile mentality to anything you can think of. There are people who think cars are "undrivable" without some fancy hacked ECU, people who think the rental skis at resorts are unusable, and of course people who think the earbuds that came with their phone are completely unlistenable.

Reality is most people aren't sensitive to whatever it is these people believe they are perceiving and will get on fine with whatever the defaults are.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Post by sweeter »

IshKebab wrote: post #64
sweeter wrote: post #53

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This guy was using Gentoo on what I'm guessing is an older laptop. That kind of comes with the territory. You don't use LFS or Gentoo as a daily driver and expect not to do some footwork... but if you use Mint, Fedora, Pop_OS, Ubuntu/Debian etc... it pretty much is "just works." Of course, you have to do stuff on pretty much any PC, Windows, Mac or Linux. I own them all and know this to be the case... it's just that…

Always an excuse... Why can't you just agree that this isn't how it should be but maybe you like Linux anyway?

Using Gentoo as an example of how Linux is hard to use is a bad argument. I have Mac, Linux and windows PCs and they all have fairly ridiculous thing that users of those OS's excuse because they are used to it. I'm not sure how that is an excuse. I'm just reiterating what my og comment said here.
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