Rust needs a web framework
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Rust needs a web framework
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Re: Rust needs a web framework
#2Isn’t there a rust rails clone?
Yeah, it’s called loco https://loco.rs/
FWIW I prefer the pile of libraries. Big frameworks are good for scrappy startups trying to push their product out asap, but in most of situations, I’d like a lower abstraction system to build on.
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#3I was surprised not to see Rocket (https://rocket.rs/) mentioned among the frameworks the author listed; I haven’t used it myself because I _like_ the more unopinionated axum/actix-web, but as I understand it its goals are much more in the vein of what the author wants in a batteries-included framework and it’s been around for a while now.
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#4Whatever you do, don't make this an RFC in a Rust repo/something up for debate and discussion. 500+ messages and literally years later, no one will agree on a single thing. Just make the thing you want and if people don't like it, they can stick with Actix.
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#5Isn’t there a rust rails clone? Yeah, it’s called loco https://loco.rs/ FWIW I prefer the pile of libraries. Big frameworks are good for scrappy startups trying to push their product out asap, but in most of situations, I’d like a lower abstraction system to build on.
Rails clones in modern languages don’t get wide adoption. I wrote about why I think that is: https://hermanradtke.com/why-your-rails-like-framework-is-no...
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#6I'd rather see Crystal on Rails. Combines the elegance of Ruby with the performance of a compiled language. And of course: macro support.
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#7If the post were C++ focused instead of Rust would it make the same, more or less sense?
A systems language with a high cognitive barrier to entry, compile times and less than a decade of wide adoption can’t reasonably be expected to compete with something like Rails in terms of approachability
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#8Isn’t there a rust rails clone? Yeah, it’s called loco https://loco.rs/ FWIW I prefer the pile of libraries. Big frameworks are good for scrappy startups trying to push their product out asap, but in most of situations, I’d like a lower abstraction system to build on.
Rails clones in modern languages don’t get wide adoption. I wrote about why I think that is: https://hermanradtke.com/why-your-rails-like-framework-is-no...
For what it's worth, Phoenix is quite rails like, as is the ash framework, and both are quietly popular
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#9For new web applications, why recommend alternatives to Next.js?
How do you convince someone to use an alternative? The knowledge needed to understand why will help you get close enough in Next.js anyway.
Re: Rust needs a web framework
#10> I like to make silly things, and I also like to put in minimal effort for those silly things. I also like to make things in Rust…
I think this part is perhaps the silliest part of a very silly article. If you really like to put in a minimal effort then why on earth would you use Rust? If you want efficiency, memory management and a compiled modern language just use Go. Then you won’t even need anything but the standard library for what you want to do. Or… use Django as you suggest?
Yes, yes we use Rust in production because we thought it would be easier (well safer) to teach to interpreted language OOP developers than c/c++ but why on earth would you ever use it for the web unless you are a member of the cult?