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XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

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Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#91

My accessibility needs are dead under Wayland. There needs to be shortcuts that can be emulated per application and global shortcuts. Their security model won't allow this. I don't know how accessibility and automation tools are going to get by trying to support every wayland compositor.

If accessibility is a serious concern, Linux is probably not the OS for you. It's so far behind in accessibility compared to Windows it's not even funny.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#92

Genuinely find XFCE the only pragmatic option when it comes to "no-fiddling-just-working-and-lightweight" WMs in Linux/BSD land - it's basically like a better Windows 2000 UI with sane defaults throughout. Thanks so much to the devs involved in keeping XFCE up to date. This is major good news.

If you really want a just working and actually lightweight (instead of pretending like XFCE), you choose icewm.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#93
post #73

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Source?

It used to use more resources and was slower than Gnome 2, when it was still a thing. I don’t know why it got a reputation of being lightweight. I guess people assume less features mean better optimized, which is jot really true. I used to run it for years though, really liked it for a while.

I think it's because Xubuntu was a lighter alternative to Ubuntu when it ran Unity desktop. I don't know how Gnome compares to Unity, but at the time Xubuntu was far better for low-end computers than vanilla Ubuntu so the reputation of XFCE was justified.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#94
post #68

The transition to Wayland also seems to correlate with the adoption of client side decorations (CSD). This "modern" approach destroys the traditional UX of XFCE as seen by recent changes in the settings manager. I fear for the future of XFCE. The advantage of XFCE for me has always been that it's a stable implementation of a traditional Win98/XP UX. I hope they don't adopt more Gnome3 patterns.

CSD has nothing to do with UX. CSD just means the application draws the window controls and borders.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#95

My accessibility needs are dead under Wayland. There needs to be shortcuts that can be emulated per application and global shortcuts. Their security model won't allow this. I don't know how accessibility and automation tools are going to get by trying to support every wayland compositor.

Global shortcuts are managed by the XDG Desktop Portal.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#97

Genuinely find XFCE the only pragmatic option when it comes to "no-fiddling-just-working-and-lightweight" WMs in Linux/BSD land - it's basically like a better Windows 2000 UI with sane defaults throughout. Thanks so much to the devs involved in keeping XFCE up to date. This is major good news.

KDE is actually lighter. And hidpi is much better on Qt.

But unfortunately KDE is Wayland only now, so no way to turn the compositor off.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE is actually lighter. And hidpi is much better on Qt.

But unfortunately KDE is Wayland only now, so no way to turn the compositor off.

That is just false. Source: the latest openSUSE Tumbleweed packages provide an up-to-date X11 version of kwin.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#99
post #68

The transition to Wayland also seems to correlate with the adoption of client side decorations (CSD). This "modern" approach destroys the traditional UX of XFCE as seen by recent changes in the settings manager. I fear for the future of XFCE. The advantage of XFCE for me has always been that it's a stable implementation of a traditional Win98/XP UX. I hope they don't adopt more Gnome3 patterns.

CSD has nothing to do with UX. CSD just means the application draws the window controls and borders.

The application drawing window controls and borders becomes a UX problem when it doesn't do it right.

Re: XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

#100
post #53

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This guy was using Gentoo on what I'm guessing is an older laptop. That kind of comes with the territory. You don't use LFS or Gentoo as a daily driver and expect not to do some footwork... but if you use Mint, Fedora, Pop_OS, Ubuntu/Debian etc... it pretty much is "just works." Of course, you have to do stuff on pretty much any PC, Windows, Mac or Linux. I own them all and know this to be the case... it's just that…

"but if you use Mint, Fedora, Pop_OS, Ubuntu/Debian etc... it pretty much is "just works." " I just started to make the transfer to Linux from windows. I have limited experience after running Ubuntu on a dual boot laptop back in school a long time ago. It wasnt my daily driver at the time but class required it. I recently downloaded fedora onto a desktop and it has been a horrid experience. It's sooo slow compared to…

If you want "just works" your more likely to get it with Ubuntu than Fedora. As for being unbearably slow .... there aren't a lot of ways for that to happen unless you're using absolutely the wrong graphics driver.

A typical way would be using xfce's "enable display compositing" setting with a graphics driver that doesn't support proper acceleration.

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