XFCE 4.20 aims to bring preliminary Wayland support

Ok, I’m super confused, how much work is involved in supporting Wayland vs Xserver?

[editing to add: my assumption that it isn’t is due to this post - xfce is what I used to use because it was lightweight, but if such a lightweight manager requires significant adoption effort it would imply that Wayland isn’t X API+new extension]

I had thought that Wayland was still functionally an implementation of the X server protocol, just reengineered to drop any pretense of network transparency, but given the amount of work involved that’s clearly not the case?

(It has been a long time since I did anything resembling X development, and so I’ve paid literally no attention to the details)

It is, but with a whole slew of tweaks to pull it off. It's a mess.

...I get it that Wayland is the future and all, that it has features we need as an OS to get to the next level, but I feel there should be no rush to do it, and I feel a strong push for Wayland in distros right now, even with all these little broken things all over the place.

I'll be horribly blunt here but I don't give a shit about any of that any more. It's irrelevant which is why open source is a complete joke for most people.

I, much as other users, just want my computer to solve the problems I ask of it, not turn into an activity in its own right or a maze of hosting problems and pain to get a simple task done. The job of the computer is to free us from slavery and everyone seems to have bloody well forgotten that.

macOS is my dream OS as it stands.

I can add a cucumber to my shopping list on my mac and when I get to the supermarket, it's on my phone.

I can share a calendar with my family and it just works.

I can listen to music on it and the same music is on my phone.

I can open and move pages around in a PDF without having to futz with anything or open a terminal.

I can literally write on my iPad with a pen and a PDF pops out full of my writing which I can send to people for review and feedback.

I can use Lightroom, Photoshop and Excel, which are far superior to any open source products and I do not mind paying for that privilege.

etc etc.

The hardware cost and upgrade inflexibility, neither of which I have found a problem either way, is insignificant anyway to the pain I would incur without it.

And that's what the community does't get: the last 20% is the hard bit and the above is the last 20% and it has never even once in the history of OSS got anywhere even remotely near that. No one cares about the political purity and ideology behind it.

KDE is actually lighter. And hidpi is much better on Qt.

I do not like the panels Apple uses, they have harsh backlight, due to 450 nm blue primary; nwer panels have 455-460nm blue light peak. My eyes are sensitive and I get tired on Apples.