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Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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Had there been a microSD slot, it would've been an instabuy. Without it, however, I fear that in 6 months I'll be juggling which applications or media I want to keep on it. I understand that Google's "everything in the Cloud" is an answer to this. Why keep music and movies on the device when you can offload storage? Because I don't want to depend on connectivity, and the device doesn't have native 3G.

It doesn't have 3G, so I suspect it's probably not meant as a mobile device and you are expected to back it up with some local wifi enabled file server.

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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7" tablet fits in a jacket/coat pocket. 10" tablet does not. I also find the 7" tablet is more comfortable to hold in one hand. I have both a rooted Nook Color and an iPad, and while the iPad is undeniably a better piece of hardware, I find Nooks size more convenient to hold and use.

I'm not trying to say it's the wrong size or anything. I have a friend who lives in a warm climate, wears cargo shorts year-round and couldn't care less about anything other than long-form reading on the thing. And he won't shut up about how awesome his Nook Color fits his life. I get it , for him. Or for a hypothetical mad-reader who has a purse or pouch they carry everywhere. I just hear a lot of chatter about how…

I spent all last weekend looking for a bag to carry my transformer in. There seem to be two standard sizes for bags that it falls between; you get the full-sized satchel/briefcase, or the small taller-than-it-is-wide size. (Do a google search for manbag and you'll see the two options I'm talking about). The latter is a perfect fit for my 7" netbook or my kindle, but infuriatingly slightly too small for the transformer, while the former feels like a cavernous void when my transformer's the only thing in it. I guess the logic is "if the guy's buying a larger-than-A4 bag it's because he wants to carry three folders full of papers", but I'm amazed no-one's selling something that's just a minimum-sized case and shoulder strap for a tablet.

So for me the bags amplify the difference between a 10" and a 7". Usually I just carry the satchel everywhere, but I'd feel like a jerk taking it to a restaurant or a gig; the small bag fits on my shoulder without thinking about it and looks good enough that I'm happy to wear it anywhere. I feel like it should be possible to make a 10" tablet this practical - it's not much heavier - but I think the bag industry hasn't caught up yet.

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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Four years on we're buying better laptops than ever before and, with the netbook class now more or less dead

I still cannot get over the second part of that sentence. It's true though, but I could cry bitter tears over it: when netbooks first arrived on the scene I felt happy like a little elf: small, light, cheap computers made to run Linux? That was exactly what I had been waiting for all these years.

And a netbook has been my main computer ever since I bought one. It's ideal for my personal usage in which I basically run four programs all the time: a browser, an email client, shells, and Emacs. Add a compile every now and then and you have a description of >95% of my computing time. I can code on the kitchen table or on the couch, on the bus, even in bed if I feel like it. It's fun.

I used to have a 12 inch laptop before but the netbook clearly beats it in terms of portability. And the battery life is decent too, even though the device is a few years old by now.

And I paid around $280 for the device.

And now the market for netbooks is dead. Taken over by tablets. Except, I have no use for them. I mean, it's a selfish way of looking at it because apparently many more people want tablets than netbooks. So let the market decide. Unfortunately for me, the perfect match will slowly but surely stop being available.

Ironically, I'm not even using a netbook the way it was supposedly designed to be used: for browsing the web anywhere. As I've outlined above I use it exactly like I use a desktop computer, except that I run heavier jobs remotely on other machines.

Anyway. I am not even sure what point I am trying to make. Probably none. But it does make me sad that a type of computer that is perfect for me is being replaced by another type of computer that is unusable for the same tasks.

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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Four years on we're buying better laptops than ever before and, with the netbook class now more or less dead I still cannot get over the second part of that sentence. It's true though, but I could cry bitter tears over it: when netbooks first arrived on the scene I felt happy like a little elf: small, light, cheap computers made to run Linux? That was exactly what I had been waiting for all these years. And a netbook…

Do you object to getting a Transformer (or similar) dockable tablet and then putting, for example, Ubuntu on it (either completely or a variation of "Ubuntu for Android" when that's an option)? Or is cost part of the problem here?

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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Four years on we're buying better laptops than ever before and, with the netbook class now more or less dead I still cannot get over the second part of that sentence. It's true though, but I could cry bitter tears over it: when netbooks first arrived on the scene I felt happy like a little elf: small, light, cheap computers made to run Linux? That was exactly what I had been waiting for all these years. And a netbook…

Do you object to getting a Transformer (or similar) dockable tablet and then putting, for example, Ubuntu on it (either completely or a variation of "Ubuntu for Android" when that's an option)? Or is cost part of the problem here?

There is not really "a problem" here. It's just that there was a time where the consumer market offered a perfect sweet spot for my needs and it's not going to be there anymore. I haven't tried out the any dockable tablets but would you agree that it seems like a bit of a botch-up just to get what a netbook delivers at a much lower price tag?

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So many questions.

Google says they are selling Nexus 7 at cost. So what is the revenue model?

If the idea is to follow Amazon's Kindle Fire (where revenue from content sold in future, justifies the at-cost pricing of the device), is it not a huge risk? Google Play is not established as a revenue generator yet.

What about the content itself? Does Google have agreement in place with content owners? Even if Google has agreements, in reality that won't cover all geographies. What happens in those geographies where Google can sell apps and other stuff but not media content? Won't the tablet be sold there or will it be priced higher?

Also, how does Asus make money or are they just a contract manufacturer?

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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Which... I don't get. Just because my PC came with a modem 15 years ago didn't mean I was tied to AOL, Compuserve or the local ISP. I gasp bought my service from whoever I wanted. Yes, a cell modem would add more to the cost, but a contract free 7" google-updated android tablet with 3g that I could use on multiple carriers, unlocked... what's not to like about that?

The problem is, apart from T-mobile, other mobile carriers don't incentivize you to BYO phone. It's buy a $600 phone for $99 and be locked into a 2 year, $70 a month contract or BYO phone and be on a $70 month to month contract. With BYO, you're effectively giving the carrier an extra $20 a month due to lack of subsidy. Other countries have much saner systems where BYO plans are $20 a month cheaper.

It continues to baffle me that more people don't use T-Mobile. Yes, their network isn't quite as solid or blind-spot-free as AT&T's or Verizon's, but you can save so much money on T-Mobile. Hell, it's often more cost-effective to get a subsidized phone on T-Mo with a 2-year contract, then immediately cancel the contract, pay the cancellation fee, and switch to a $20/mo-less no-contract plan.

Back when the Nexus One came out, it was $579 to buy it outright, or $179/$279 to buy with a 2-year contract (depending on if you were an existing customer or not). Buy on contract, cancel, pay the $200 cancellation fee, and just then you're already $200/$100 ahead. Then consider you have 24 months on a plan that costs $20 less each month than it would under contract, and that's $480 saved, not to mention the freedom of not being tied to a carrier for those two years if you do decide you want to move.

And as a bonus, T-Mo is very tether-friendly. They'll throttle you if you transfer more than some amount of data per month (which I've found to be a non-issue in my personal use), but otherwise they don't care what you do with the data connection.

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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So many questions. Google says they are selling Nexus 7 at cost. So what is the revenue model? If the idea is to follow Amazon's Kindle Fire (where revenue from content sold in future, justifies the at-cost pricing of the device), is it not a huge risk? Google Play is not established as a revenue generator yet. What about the content itself? Does Google have agreement in place with content owners? Even if Google has…

The revenue is more users. Users are the air inside the Google zeppelin. Long-term users against a tablet "at cost"? A great deal for Google!

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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So many questions. Google says they are selling Nexus 7 at cost. So what is the revenue model? If the idea is to follow Amazon's Kindle Fire (where revenue from content sold in future, justifies the at-cost pricing of the device), is it not a huge risk? Google Play is not established as a revenue generator yet. What about the content itself? Does Google have agreement in place with content owners? Even if Google has…

The revenue is more users. Users are the air inside the Google zeppelin. Long-term users against a tablet "at cost"? A great deal for Google!

That is definitely a very valid argument in case of Search/Advertising. And to a certain extent, in case of Android, too.

But is that a good enough reason to sell hardware at cost? Why not give it away for free, then? That will attract a lot more users.

I guess my point is, when you are selling hardware, maybe you need to have a tangible revenue stream rather than just potential ad revenue.

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