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The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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I have said this a million times and I will say it again: anyone who thinks the US healthcare system isn’t a flaming train wreck hasn’t used it much. Or is rich enough enough not to care.

This is also due to inequality which leads to more and more of the same. There just aren't many ways entrepreneurs can add value. It is easier to capture it from assets needed by lower classes. Get a wealth tax to fix this or at least tax the wealth out of the rich.

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Isn’t huge profits the definition of success in capitalism? As a capitalist society shouldn’t there be cheers instead of complaining? This part I don’t understand about American culture.

The success of capitalism is to allow basic trade in smaller communities. Once it scales to the anonymity of the large corporation and the specialist of wealth extraction, it becomes malignant.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" said John Adams. In other words, the government is not going to impose religion, morals, or values it expects the people to have those on their own.

People who run businesses that extract wealth from the sick, the old, the dying, or people in other situations where they are not really able to make free choices, are vile and a cancer on our society.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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I live in north Texas, and the situation here is pretty much on par with the article. Urgent Care & Emergency Room combos are here on every corner. It’s a lucrative business, so it makes sense that private equity firms are gobbling it up. But I think the more interesting problem here is one level up. Why are there so many of them? I see two possible reasons: 1. Anytime one of my family members gets sick, it’s rather…

$300 is your part of a regular doctor visit? Or the total bill? Do you have one of those high-deductible plans designed to discourage people from seeking any healthcare?

> high-deductible plans designed to discourage people from seeking any healthcare

This is in fact not the purpose of those plans.

They try to actually be insurance (ie, in case of unexpected high expenses) rather than a combination of insurance plus pre-payment of typical expenses.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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Sell everything in the US and move to a cheaper country like India. You will have free health care.

I have aging parents in India, and I can tell you firsthand—healthcare there is far from cheap. In fact, prices have surged, and many people are now accustomed to the higher costs, thanks to rampant price gouging during the COVID pandemic.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe regulation is in fact a problem. In my country there is less regulation in healthcare services. I can walk into multiple private facilities in my town, get full blood panel with almost everything you can think of included (hormones, vitamins/mineral levels, liver markers etc) for around 100$. The results are going to be available online the same day (with the exception of those that require more lab time). T…

In the US you can have similar labs done at Labcorp or Quest. Prices are similar or slightly higher. MRIs are prescription only and higher priced. One main difference is that most labs here require a prescription, which means you need to go to a different provider just to get the piece of paper and pay them. Of course these providers are both massive chains. Not sure if either are PI owned.

Quest and Labcorp have started doing many tests for a direct fee. You just pay upfront and get it done, no prescription/insurance needed.

It’s not all the tests I think, but many.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was covered by an employer plan, a lot of people seemed to gravitate towards high deductible plans because they were cheaper so long as you didn't consume a lot of healthcare. (Personally, I never did but a lot of people were adamant that you saved money that way.)

You really need to look at how the employer funds it but often those are cheaper no matter what.

I won't argue. I'd have saved a lot of money over the years with a high deductible plan.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The widespread need for medical insurance only exists because regulation has introduced many artificial inefficiencies within the health care sector that in turn severely distort the pricing of medical services and medical products. We'd see far more reasonable pricing, and much less need for something like medical insurance, without the regulations that artificially limit the supply of practitioners and clinics, tha…

The fact that healthcare is far cheaper in every European country that has universal healthcare suggests that you are wrong.

Healthcare is cheaper in every country everywhere regardless of whether they have public or private coverage. This implies that the difference isn't public vs. private, it's some other regulatory differences which are driving up costs in the US.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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The problem with American healthcare is the attempt to compromise between healthcare as a universally available public utility and healthcare as a commodity on the private market. (Arguably this is a legacy of pre-modern healthcare, where hospitals were operated by charities run by nuns and funded by aristocrats and royal families, hence all the “Saint” names in hospitals nowadays).

There’s a variety of weird examples of this mixed system:

>Poor people use ERs for every day healthcare, usually they get away with paying nothing, no insurance

>Working people with insurance pay more to enable this access for the destitute (or criminal) portion of the population

>Old people are sort of entitled to free healthcare. They get medicare, but if they want everything, they have to pay for “supplements.”

>Young people pay for the old people’s healthcare twice, on their payroll taxes and in the form of higher premiums. A 25 year old male should absolutely not have a $300/mo health premium. But he does, because his premium is paying for other’s care.

This is a system pretending to be private, but it’s actually just inefficiently public. It would be more efficient to pay for it using taxes, both income and sales taxes, rather than letting some groups—the poor and the elderly—off the hook arbitrarily.

Alternatively, abolish health insurance altogether—a notoriously inefficient and exploitative industry that does not suit the classic purpose of insurance (boat accidents and fires)—and see what happens. This is obviously a rather unpalatable option due to the chaos that would ensue, but it’s probably the best option.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was covered by an employer plan, a lot of people seemed to gravitate towards high deductible plans because they were cheaper so long as you didn't consume a lot of healthcare. (Personally, I never did but a lot of people were adamant that you saved money that way.)

I’ve long been a proponent of high deductible plans. The part you’re missing is that you also get the opportunity to contribute pre-tax money to a Health Savings Account, which is money that you get to keep (and even invest) over the long term. You can spend that HSA money on medical expenses but if you save it, it turns into another tax-advantaged savings account like your IRA and 401(k).

I agree. I think I just had a very conservative mindset with respect to medical insurance which led me to a traditional plan. HSA would certainly have been a better choice in retrospect given that deductibles were never really an issue.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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I had an interesting experience in the ER lately that caused me to do some research. The average ER wait time across DC was 5 hours and 29 minutes. That's across all hospitals.

Median is better here. Average wait includes homeless people who use the waiting room for a warm nights sleep and similar outliers. They quickly get triaged and a free sandwich
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