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The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe regulation is in fact a problem. In my country there is less regulation in healthcare services. I can walk into multiple private facilities in my town, get full blood panel with almost everything you can think of included (hormones, vitamins/mineral levels, liver markers etc) for around 100$. The results are going to be available online the same day (with the exception of those that require more lab time). T…

200 dollars for an MRI with no referring reason is inexpensive for sure. Where is that?

Poland. For all the faults of my country healthcare is actually run pretty well. There is a public option where you have to wait but people are free to run private practices/labs/facilities.

Because the public option exists they can't run the prices up however they want so it's usually very competitive.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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post #7

The thing that doesn't get mentioned much in these conversations that I've personally seen play a big role is the regulation. When you have highly complex regulations, you end up consolidating practices. As regulations increase, the number of distinct providers/owners decrease. Many individuals don't want to run their own practice due to the complexities (insurance, etc) that exist beyond the work (treating people).…

Many individuals don't want to run their own practice due to the complexities (insurance, etc) that exist beyond the work (treating people). It’s interesting that the one specific thing you mention is insurance. That particular complexity doesn’t come from regulation. It comes from the immoral insurance industry.

"That particular complexity doesn’t come from regulation."

Considering the ACA requires insurance, it indirectly does. While there are cash-only doctors, it's very rare.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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post #7

The thing that doesn't get mentioned much in these conversations that I've personally seen play a big role is the regulation. When you have highly complex regulations, you end up consolidating practices. As regulations increase, the number of distinct providers/owners decrease. Many individuals don't want to run their own practice due to the complexities (insurance, etc) that exist beyond the work (treating people).…

> The thing that doesn't get mentioned much This gets mentioned every time. The regulation boogeyman always shows up. If only there were fewer rules... everyone could make more money, the little guy would be able to enter and play fast and loose, and nobody would do the wrongdoing those rules were meant to correct/prevent. Yes, there are regulations in health care. There are regulations in almost every industry, and…

> Yet people still start businesses, make money, grumble endlessly about those regulations, and society marches on.

But that's the problem, isn't it? They don't. The smaller providers actually do go out of business or get bought up by private equity and then the quality of care suffers -- which is the thing the regulations were sold as improving.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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Private equity is no longer doing its job, to the extent if ever had one.

If there were a poorly run company, private equity could use its own money to acquire it, restructure it to be more efficient and valuable, and capture cash flow while owning it and profit from taking it public again. They would make money, the economy would be improved, and a healthy new public company would build more public wealth.

This is a bit idealized, but something closer to this really did happen.

Now they use raise money from rich people and operate more as alternative investment management, take over efficient operations, strip them, use leverage in the opposite direct (acquisition targets take loans and transfer the money back to PE). We end up with worse services, unsustainable and over-leveraged businesses, money transfer from the public to the wealthy from increased welfare and bankruptcies, and a worse economy because of changes to the velocity wealth returns to the economy from private fortunes.

This stinks when it is the Office Depot or Friendly's, but it is a massive problem for residential real estate, delivery of medical care, medicine, and basic food production.

You would think that the brilliant folks at KKR, Carlysle, Blackstone, and others would read their classics and know the story of the ancien régime and Romanovs.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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I live in north Texas, and the situation here is pretty much on par with the article. Urgent Care & Emergency Room combos are here on every corner. It’s a lucrative business, so it makes sense that private equity firms are gobbling it up. But I think the more interesting problem here is one level up. Why are there so many of them? I see two possible reasons: 1. Anytime one of my family members gets sick, it’s rather…

3. Demand for immediate care is high. The next "one level up" might explore how much is because the community is quite morbid and unwell, because modern culture has displaced traditional home/self care with consumerized services, or because of other things. There are people I know who are largely healthy and who consult paid medical services many times per year for everyday disturbances, and others who take decades t…

It's a shame that we have not preserved more local, "community medicine" that you mention. Unfortunately, the reason is that we have destroyed the community by moving to a model where advanced technology is our primary aid instead of other human beings.

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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It would be great to see some real solutions to the menace of private equity, or at least to see these solutions discussed in the mainstream public discourse. Which is a good reason to vote third party, if you're in the US: they might never win, but if they get enough votes, eventually their ideas will be heard (unless and until they too get co-opted by lobbyists from Vanguard and Blackrock).

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

#57
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$300 is your part of a regular doctor visit? Or the total bill? Do you have one of those high-deductible plans designed to discourage people from seeking any healthcare?

When I was covered by an employer plan, a lot of people seemed to gravitate towards high deductible plans because they were cheaper so long as you didn't consume a lot of healthcare. (Personally, I never did but a lot of people were adamant that you saved money that way.)

I’ve long been a proponent of high deductible plans. The part you’re missing is that you also get the opportunity to contribute pre-tax money to a Health Savings Account, which is money that you get to keep (and even invest) over the long term. You can spend that HSA money on medical expenses but if you save it, it turns into another tax-advantaged savings account like your IRA and 401(k).

Re: The profit-obsessed monster destroying American emergency rooms

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post #7

The thing that doesn't get mentioned much in these conversations that I've personally seen play a big role is the regulation. When you have highly complex regulations, you end up consolidating practices. As regulations increase, the number of distinct providers/owners decrease. Many individuals don't want to run their own practice due to the complexities (insurance, etc) that exist beyond the work (treating people).…

You're being downvoted but I wish you weren't.

I've worked in healthcare, and pretty much my whole family does in all the professional roles you can think of.

I have mixed feelings about this article and others like it because the motivation to strip the system of everything until profit is left is a serious problem throughout US healthcare. However, it's not unique to private equity — private regional monopolies, or even privately owned clinics and hospitals, can have a similar effect. These articles then have a way of shifting the focus away from the underlying administrative practices that result in these problems, and toward private equity per se.

The regulation problem is real too, and I can give lots of examples. It's unlike a lot of other fields too in the scope and how ingrained it is in the system. EHRs are just one example: although well-intended, they were mandated with no "organic" roll-out, and pulled what was in-house staff and services and pushed it outside into large monopolies like EPIC (who are now the subject of an antitrust lawsuit IIRC). This happens over and over with all sorts of aspects of US healthcare.

I also have problems with the focus of these types of articles — for whatever reason, they often start with or are centered around this kind of wistful new physician (or very old physician near retirement) longing for the romanticized old days where physicians were in charge and ran everything. Should that be the case though? Do we really need MDs to do and approve of everything? Aren't there things that are done as well by PAs, DNPs, and other types of providers that don't even exist yet because of how calcified the healthcare system is? Can't patients do more at home without a middleperson — e.g., needing to approve of some medication that the person has taken for decades without incident and is really truly pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things?

The problem you described is very real. It's overregulated, in ways that incentivize large monopolies, either of clinic and hospital owners, or provider rent seeking guilds, infrastructure providers, etc.

I guess I feel like these types of articles point to one type of problem, but then tend to implicitly suggest the solution is to just roll back time to some earlier era, not recognizing that that earlier era had a smaller patient population, with less regulation, less monopoly where there was no need to scrutinize whether a certain type of degree is really necessary, where there weren't huge hidden overhead costs of all these monopolies permeating down to the patient.

Fixing US healthcare is going to require a bunch of things that collectively will cause pain for a lot of entrenched players: lots of antitrust lawsuits and laws, lots of deregulation aimed at giving patients more choice and self-care options, more public payer options, lots of eliminating or restructuring licensing requirements to create more types of providers, and so forth. They don't map on easily onto current US political party platforms either.

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