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Google won't be mandating a strict return-to-office plan

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Re: Google won't be mandating a strict return-to-office plan

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Wow 4 months is pretty awesome. Are you based in that USA? I worked at companies that had unlimited PTO and no one ever took that much time off.

Europe/Italy.

That's wild, when I saw 16 weeks I assumed it was a typo and you meant 'days.' I should try to jump ship from FAANG-land

Re: Google won't be mandating a strict return-to-office plan

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When I lived in the Bay Area, my commute was ~2.5 hours each way. I would have killed for a 1 hour commute.

I find it absurd how Americans can't give up on their suburbs and car centric development dystopia and then spend so much time in their cars.

That's the nice thing about the Bay Area, you get to have the best of both -- live in a shoebox with no green space AND commute for hours to your job.

Re: Google won't be mandating a strict return-to-office plan

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They say this now. But in 12 months (or the next layoff period), they will move from hybrid to full RTO. Still a shitty move to mandate RTO. Most people (IT folks) have spoke with do this routine: 0) daily routine to prepare for day 1) 1 hr commute to shitty office 2) login to computer, do calls with cross regional (and international) teams over Zoom/Teams/Webex or whatever conferencing system 3) teleconferencing wit…

No disrespect intended by this, but I'm a little confused. What makes a direct contradiction of what Google said a reliable statement? Is it just pessimism bias?

Re: Google won't be mandating a strict return-to-office plan

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I think the worst part is 9) at night, do more work that requires focus time while no one is bothering you, since expectations got calibrated to when everyone had a private office and more control over their own time.

There's no way in hell I'd agree to additional remote work if I'm being demanded to return to the office. Either it's remote or it's not.

If you won’t, others will. That’s this job market.

Re: Google won't be mandating a strict return-to-office plan

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>Employees at the tech giant were concerned about losing their hybrid work schedule after Amazon mandated that staff return to the office five days a week.

Can someone explain why employees at the freaking google are concerned when amazon is mandating something? Like they are at their friday gtfo or something meeting seriously discussing "Yo amazon just dropped this mandate, should we follow it here at google?". These AI articles are getting out of hand...

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That's because having children in SF is not "normal," a huge fraction of new workers are single male tech workers. SF is the city with the fewest children per capita in the country, Daly City is #6. https://www.aaastateofplay.com/the-u-s-cities-with-the-most-...

Plenty of my colleagues have had kids.

Well, OK, there are ways for a young tech family to avoid the 2+ hour commute:

- Be extremely well paid, and don't mind buying a $1.5m house that would go for $500K in, say, Pittsburg CA.

- Squeeze into an apartment.

- Buy near one BART station and find a job near another, e.g. if you buy right next to the Pittsburg station and work at Uber HQ it's 1 hour each way. This mostly rules out Apple, Meta, Google, etc.

Another way of course is if your colleagues bought homes at around the time of the market lows, but that was ~15 years ago, so they would not be young families.

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In the Bay Area, 1-hour commutes are generally for older and apartment people. Younger family people are in the 2+ range.

When I lived in the Bay Area, my commute was ~2.5 hours each way. I would have killed for a 1 hour commute.

Damn I was ready to jump in front of a train after having a 2h commute to university by train. Can’t imagine doing that in a car where I have to be alert as well.

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Oh goodness, if we’re talking about sustainable growth then boy do I have some hockeystick charts to reject that notion. For decades, growth has largely been an illusion created through clever accounting and inflation metrics - it’s why the industry keeps desperately trying to jump on “brand new” stuff like crypto, blockchain, and generative models: a new industry means actual growth as opposed to illusory growth, wh…

I think you have a really interesting pov that is thought provoking. Seriously - thanks.

Does he? Don’t most people in tech roll their eyes when the suits, be it business or economy, talk about growth? Not saying what he said is wrong or stupid or whatever. I just thought that was the status quo outside of the business bubble.

Re: Google won't be mandating a strict return-to-office plan

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Tech organizations are all overstaffed from the pandemic. Engineering is usually boom/bust. Likely outcome is recession and purge. The plucky gen alphas will be in the cube farm to pay they rent.

>The plucky gen alphas will be in the cube farm I find it so ironic that around the turn of the century, cube farms and suburbia were the ultimate evil and seemingly a fate worse than death in the pop culture. Meanwhile in 2024, me and my Gen Y/Z colleagues daydream about a comfy dedicated cubicle and a quiet 3.5 bedroom with matching furniture and a spot to grill.

I don’t know if I’d want to go back to an office regardless of how it looks but a cubicle seems perfect to me. I honestly thought about turning my office at home into a cubicle. Like, I have a large room in the basement (36 square meters or something like that) and it is office, gym, hobby room and TV / Gaming room all in one. I’d love to just have a little corner sectioned off to separate the office parts of it.

Same with the house of course. I somewhat achieved that but only through luck and I’m renting (which is fine here in Germany) but man do cubicles seem nice.

It’s kinda like the rooms in IKEA. If I built my own house, I’d just buy complete rooms from IKEA and build a house around it. They’re all so small and cosy.

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