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Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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TBH, I'm surprised they had almost 2000. I would've thought they'd be around the 500 mark.

As of today we are 1,733. But that may go up soon, we are hiring aggressively to fill roles of some people who left and meet increased customer demand! https://automattic.com/work-with-us/

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Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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It will be interesting how many customers start flying the coop. Wordpress can be entrenching software but I have also found that a lot of the plugin heavy sites are just using plugins/customizations for trivial things you could easily eclipse. Migrating off of it is easier done than said in that case. We will be leaving WP Engine and Wordpress behind after we spend 2 months rebuilding on sensible software on a sensi…

I run dozens of WP sites and help others create and maintain with it, I won't be leaving it any time soon - although at times it is appropriate to change hosts or even to change to a static site.

Wordpress makes those things easy.

I always have discussions with people about possible hosting issues, and issues with licenses changing when suggesting to use or continue to use WP (or anything else you do not control)

This whole kerfuffle does not bother me, as it reminds me of the licensing issues with some of the AI models being released - if you are super big you can't use them for free.. well fine - if I get that big and my biggest worry is how to brigade online to save face while trying to save a few million - well that is .1% problems I wouldn't mind having,

seriously, at that level a person/company can make all sorts of choices, and those choices don't have to be to convince people to throw salt and shade at the sandbox you are leaving.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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That might be true about the traffic, but twitter wasn’t open before the musk purchase either, it would stop you from seeing posts if you weren’t logged in if you tried to scroll more than a few times. Its current behavior of showing just a few posts sorta, uh, randomly selected might be easier on the server, idk.

That is NOT true. As a Twitter addict, I know that was not the case. Also, Twitter had two notable Spaces problems, when launching the DeSantis campaign (into the ground) and the second fiasco, which I actually forget what it was, just recently. The system just cannot handle truly planet-scale traffic like before.

As someone who wasn’t a twitter addict, I know it was true because people would link me to twitter, I would see the tweet but attempting to scroll too much would result in a log in popover years before the musk buyout.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be true about the traffic, but twitter wasn’t open before the musk purchase either, it would stop you from seeing posts if you weren’t logged in if you tried to scroll more than a few times. Its current behavior of showing just a few posts sorta, uh, randomly selected might be easier on the server, idk.

For most of its life, Twitter was completely open. You could see any tweet or user page with the URL, whether or not you were logged in. The only exception was if someone had “protected” their account. Twitter as it runs now is far more locked down. And that happened after it experienced significant, noticeable outages. Performance is not binary… Twitter is still “up” as a service but with a much smaller public footp…

Do you know when they stopped being frictionlessly open? I’m curious when they started doing the to continue you have to log in pop overs. It preceded musk, as I said. I think every link still worked, but scrolling and navigating twitter like a typical website instead of typing in a link had log in gates.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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I would assume most Automattic employees are paid substantially more than $60k / year, so few people will be getting only 30k. At least in big American cities, $60k is a bus driver's salary.

That’s quite a lot. I imagine you’d be happy if you could get a little more than half as much in Europe.

How much after income taxes, though? I recently learned that after taxes, my salary in Eastern Europe is around average salary in a few US states, although on paper (pre-tax) it looks like the US is 4 times richer.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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How do you equate transfered to an independent company with free to use? That's not the same thing at all

The logo was transferred to the WordPress foundation nonprofit, which in turn let people build products and services using the trademark free of charge. This is where the "free to use" comes from. Except secretly, the WordrPress trademark was transferred back to Automattic on the very same day. Imagine I very publicly say "I'm making my tech project open source, you can build on it and use the logo in your projects!"…

> The logo was transferred to the WordPress foundation nonprofit, which in turn let people build products and services using the trademark free of charge. This is where the "free to use" comes from. Except secretly, the WordrPress trademark was transferred back to Automattic on the very same day.

> Imagine I very publicly say "I'm making my tech project open source, you can build on it and use the logo in your projects!". Except on that same day as the announcement I revoke that open license and tell nobody.

I've been around WordPress since it was beta (though I got disillusioned after Gutenberg). Automattic/the Foundation has never let people "build products and services using the trademark free of charge".

Many people in the ecosystem have honoured that and avoided trouble by naming their WordPress products using the "WP" abbreviation.

The problem here is that even though many people have used WP from the start, Matt somehow thinks now that "WP Engine" is confusing enough people [1]:

> The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks, but please don’t use it in a way that confuses people. For example, many people think WP Engine is “WordPress Engine” and officially associated with WordPress, which it’s not. They have never once even donated to the WordPress Foundation, despite making billions of revenue on top of WordPress.

[1] https://wordpressfoundation.org/trademark-policy/

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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It was posted on September 30 ~10pm UTC, so people had about 4 days to decide.

If it was posted Monday, September 30 at 22:00 UTC and the deadline was Thursday, October 3 at 20:00 UTC, that's less than three days. It's 2 days, 22 hours.

He’s a PHP dev, you can’t honestly expect him to be able to count.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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It will be interesting how many customers start flying the coop. Wordpress can be entrenching software but I have also found that a lot of the plugin heavy sites are just using plugins/customizations for trivial things you could easily eclipse. Migrating off of it is easier done than said in that case. We will be leaving WP Engine and Wordpress behind after we spend 2 months rebuilding on sensible software on a sensi…

Curious why you say WP Engine is terrible? My org has been using them for several years without issue.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

#380

It will be interesting how many customers start flying the coop. Wordpress can be entrenching software but I have also found that a lot of the plugin heavy sites are just using plugins/customizations for trivial things you could easily eclipse. Migrating off of it is easier done than said in that case. We will be leaving WP Engine and Wordpress behind after we spend 2 months rebuilding on sensible software on a sensi…

What did you move away to? I loved wordpress back in the 2-3.0 days lol. But all the other CMS are way too complicated for me, let alone normal people. I still have old sites stuck on relatively old versions.
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