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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by vouaobrasil »

mrcwinn wrote: post #679
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

And yet here you are.

There's nothing wrong with using existing platforms to declare the problems of said platforms. To me the "and yet you are using the internet"-type replies sound rather defensive and shallow. The truth is, sometimes it is possible to dismantle the master's house using the master's tools. Do we not complain about our governments using the countries we live in or the tools provided by the government?

People who point out the deficiencies of technology sometimes must use said technology. Nothing wrong with that.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by akoboldfrying »

valval wrote: post #654
lopis wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assure you that's not enough. These are high quality videos. Once they get uploaded to social media, compression mostly makes imperfections go away. And it's been shown that when people are not expecting AI content, they are much less likely to realize they are looking at AI. I would 100% believe most of these videos were real if caught off guard.

The way I see it, it won’t take long before human eyes won’t be able to distinguish AI generated content from original. The only regret I have about that is losing video as a form of evidence. CCTV footage and the like are a valuable tool for solving crimes. That’s going to be out the window soon.

Trust can be preserved by adding PKI at the hardware level. What you said about CCTV is true; once the market realises and demand appears, camera manufacturers will start making camera modules that, e.g., sign each frame with the manufacturer's private key, enabling Joe Public to verify that that frame came from a camera made by that manufacturer. Reputational risk makes the manufacturer store the private key in the device in a secure, tamper-proof way (like TPMs do now), which (mostly) prevents those private keys from leaking.

Does this create difficulties if you want to modify the raw video data in any way? Yes it does, even if you just want to save it in a different lossy compression level or format. But these problems aren't insurmountable. Essentially, provenance info can be added for each modification, signed by the entity that made the change, and the end viewer can then decide if they trust the full certificate chain (just as they do now with HTTPS).

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by nitwit005 »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #114
nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

> And, through the same lens, maybe human-created art is more interesting because it is real. Conversations I have with people in real life almost always come back to this point. Most people find AI stuff novel, but few find it particularly interesting on an artistic level. I only really hear about people being ecstatic about AI online, by people who are, for lack of a better term, really online, and who do not have…

People find even randomly generated stuff artistic. I remember the San Francisco Chronicle review of an art piece, which was random cracks in rock caused by heating.

I sort of wondered how you could claim to be the creator of the art when your kiln did all the work, but I suppose they did the important labor of putting it in there.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by deisteve »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #675
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

I was thinking exactly that: a coalition of people who refuse to use AI, and who refuse to interact with or support others who do use AI. I actually work for Photography Life, and we have already committed to 100% AI free: no generative AI for articles and no gen AI for photos either. I also have a 100% AI-free commmitment on my YouTube channel. Procreate for iPad believes in no AI as well. But we need more supporter…

coalition makes it sound like its in the millions all coordinating together like these guys : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

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Post by vagab0nd »

famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

Imagine a herd of AI agents, indistinguishable from real human, are to interact with you and the content you create. Are you ok with it? Would you even care that they are not real people? Or maybe you'd even prefer them sometimes?

Because that's where we are headed.

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Post by gen3 »

redundantly wrote: post #676
gen3 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree, the background replace that puts the guy into a stadium would be fully usable as a cut in a movie/tv show, and the background is believable enough that no one would bat an eye. If you use it properly, I expect a quality uplift on indie films/shorts. Your limit is your creativity

> Your limit is your creativity And how many tokens you can afford.

You’re not wrong, but the comment somewhat misses the point. A shot like that would require you to rent a stadium (generally not cheap) along with paying for a believable number of extras. That would put the shot out of budget for most indie filmmakers. Spending $20 on tokens to get “good enough” is totally worth it, and allows you to get shots that were previously out of reach.

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Post by chasd00 »

vagab0nd wrote: post #685
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

Imagine a herd of AI agents, indistinguishable from real human, are to interact with you and the content you create. Are you ok with it? Would you even care that they are not real people? Or maybe you'd even prefer them sometimes? Because that's where we are headed.

If the AI agents are indistinguishable from humans then it doesn’t matter how you feel about them.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mlboss »

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

It is easy to do really creative work now but it is even easier to just browse instagram or tiktok. The real winner in the new world will be people with discipline who can use these tech to create stuff without too much capital or resources.

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Post by WhyOhWhyQ »

dham wrote: post #520
ddtaylor wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regularly catch my kids watching AI generated content and they don't know it.

It's kind of an interesting phenomenon. I read something on this. Basically being born between ~1980 and ~1990 is a huge advantage in tech.

The Zoomers have the advantage that the bar is pretty low these days.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by vouaobrasil »

deisteve wrote: post #684
vouaobrasil wrote: post #675

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking exactly that: a coalition of people who refuse to use AI, and who refuse to interact with or support others who do use AI. I actually work for Photography Life, and we have already committed to 100% AI free: no generative AI for articles and no gen AI for photos either. I also have a 100% AI-free commmitment on my YouTube channel. Procreate for iPad believes in no AI as well. But we need more supporter…

coalition makes it sound like its in the millions all coordinating together like these guys : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

I am happy to declare that I am myself, a Luddite in many ways. No problem with that. I like lots of technology, not gonna lie. I'm a programmer and have a PhD in math, but I think it's gone too far in many respects. And if I have to build a coalition into millions, I'll do it one step at a time.
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