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You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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The outcome is that spaces which are prone to AI slop and spam will wither and lose real users, eventually collapsing on themselves. For the social media platforms, good riddance

Unlikely. What’s more likely to happen is that the AI posts that don’t get good engagement provides a feedback loop into the AI, training it to what works and what doesn’t.

I believe we’re already seeing this on Reddit where upon the initial OpenAI deal, there was an influx of obviously poorly generated AI posts, people flagged them, and they fell off pretty quickly. The posts that make it through now are the ones people can’t tell are AI, based on that feedback.

We’re training it in real time how to fool us.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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The outcome is that spaces which are prone to AI slop and spam will wither and lose real users, eventually collapsing on themselves. For the social media platforms, good riddance

Unlikely. What’s more likely to happen is that the AI posts that don’t get good engagement provides a feedback loop into the AI, training it to what works and what doesn’t. I believe we’re already seeing this on Reddit where upon the initial OpenAI deal, there was an influx of obviously poorly generated AI posts, people flagged them, and they fell off pretty quickly. The posts that make it through now are the ones pe…

Mission Fucking Accomplished

https://xkcd.com/810/

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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How do schools actually manage requiring this? Is it required that all students have access to smartphones, tablets, the internet in general, etc? If a student doesn't have a device to install the crappy branded app on, what does the school do? I don't have kids yet though that time is likely coming, this goes firmly on the growing list of reasons why we'd choose to homeschool.

Schools that do this typically provide a Chromebook or iPad to each student.

Notice how there's a very consistent winner in all this :)

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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What did you find that makes homeschooling always worse we all live by the experience of our childhood. it is pervasive, and influences us in ways that we can't escape. i don't know what the parent commented experienced. but most likely they have not experienced bad regular schools, nor seen well working homeschooling. so their own homeschooling experience probably is all they have to go on. i struggle as a parent be…

Thanks for sharing here, its always interesting to hear a different person's experience/story. With regards to public schooling I'll share my anecdotal experience, as you mentioned I can't compare directly to homeschooling since I only ever went to public school. I grew up in a pretty well off area, by no means was it a rich area but solidly middle to upper middle class. My public schools were pretty well funded and…

i agree that traditional schooling leaves a lot to be desired. it's not just public schools but private schools as well. it's the whole structure of lectures and boring homework and the inflexibility of the teaching material. but most of all, and i believe studies confirmed that (i vaguely remember there was a discussion about this here on HN) the primary factor for a good school experience is the quality of the teachers. that goes for homeschooling as well as public or private schools. and the solution here is not the funding for schools, but the funding of education of teachers. no amount of school funding is going to make schools better if we don't give teachers better training.

besides that though, i think schooling really needs to be revamped. and we already have proven alternative options, if only our governments had the courage to try them.

i am mainly thinking of the montessori education model. it has proven itself. and teacher training is not expensive. it only takes one year if done fulltime.

i really do not know what it takes to change that though. there is so much resistance to change in the education sector that it is really painful to watch.

btw, it is interesting to note that in germany where i am from, homeschooling is strictly illegal. the reason today is that homeschooling allows families to avoid integration into the wider society. it enables insular thinking and allows families to avoid contact with others who think differently. the goal of public schooling in germany is to let children of different backgrounds, cultures, opinions and worldviews interact and learn from each other, to accept and tolerate them and to create an integrated society. school is the only place where different cultures are forced to interact with each other.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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So what if his criteria has false negatives? AI or not, ignoring noticeable slop will be a net positive.

> So what if his criteria has false negatives? Then he unjustly undermines the livelyhood of human authors. The AIs will applaud him.

If I'm reading your post correctly, I meant the opposite, he's still better off dismissing AI content even if some of it gets through.

But even the case I think you suggest, dismissing some human works because they feel AI generated, won't undermine anyone's livelihood: All audiences dismiss works based simply on their tastes, and "feels like AI" is just a new distaste to account for, independently of AI being involved or not.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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No thanks, don't want to put my kids through my childhood

Assuming you were homeschooled and it went poorly for you, was your takeaway that it could never be done well? What did you find that makes homeschooling always worse than trusting the local, likely poorly paid and appreciated, state educators?

I don't see them saying anything of the sort and just talking about their own choices for their own children.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Thanks for sharing here, its always interesting to hear a different person's experience/story. With regards to public schooling I'll share my anecdotal experience, as you mentioned I can't compare directly to homeschooling since I only ever went to public school. I grew up in a pretty well off area, by no means was it a rich area but solidly middle to upper middle class. My public schools were pretty well funded and…

i agree that traditional schooling leaves a lot to be desired. it's not just public schools but private schools as well. it's the whole structure of lectures and boring homework and the inflexibility of the teaching material. but most of all, and i believe studies confirmed that (i vaguely remember there was a discussion about this here on HN) the primary factor for a good school experience is the quality of the teac…

> i am mainly thinking of the montessori education model. it has proven itself. and teacher training is not expensive. it only takes one year if done fulltime.

My wife is a big fan of the Waldorf schools and has said she'd went to replicate a lot of their approach if we homeschooled. We actually lived a few blocks away from one in the Netherlands and had planned on sending kids there, but have since moved back to the US and are nowhere near a Waldorf.

That's really interesting to hear why homeschooling is banned in Germany. I was pretty sure it is either banned or extremely limited in the Netherlands as well, but never dug into why when we lived there. Integration and socialization is definitely a challenge for homeschooling. The friends and family I have that either are homeschooling or did in the past had good luck with getting their kids into the same sports leagues that public school students do, though that still doesn't replace 7+ hours a day of interacting with a school full of kids your own age.

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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> I don’t want companies profiting off of my posts I despise this attitude. It's so entitled. Our history of forever extending copyrights and protecting "intellectual property" has run amok, to the point where the average person thinks their scribbles, utterings, and ideas are valuable enough on their own to be worthy of a pay day. It's the culture of " My cut, my cut, my cut!" Someone else profiting is not a tragedy…

OP is not saying they want money. They say they don't want companies profiting from their work. The two are unrelated here.

Even worse. It's not that they want to make things better for themselves, but that they want to make things worse for others. Why?

Re: You Can't Opt-Out of A.I. Online

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Sure it is, you can homeschool for example.

No thanks, don't want to put my kids through my childhood

My point was simply it's a valid option. You can't just reject some valid options and then say that what's left is inescapable... Or at least I don't think that's a very strong argument.
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