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Post by squigz »

tsimionescu wrote: post #397
dguest wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not all the way back as long as solid encryption exists: Tim Cook could digitally sign his announcements, and assuming we can establish his signature (we had signatures and stamps 200 years ago) video proof still works. So we're not going all the way back, but the era of believing strangers because they have photographic or video proof is drawing to a close.

Cryptography is nice here, but the base idea remains the same: you need to trust the person publishing the video to believe the video. Cryptography doesn't help for most interesting cases here, though it can help with another level, that of impersonation. Sure, Tim Cook can sign a video so I know he is the one who published it - though watching it on https://apple.com does more or less the same thing. But if the vide…

All this talk of trust speaks to the larger issue here too - that we've lost so much trust in governments and other important institutions. I'm not saying it was undeserved, but it's still an issue we need to fix.

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sourraspberry wrote: post #20

Impressive. Always important to bear in mind that the examples they show are likely the best examples they were able to produce. Many times over the past few years a new AI release has "wowed" me, but none of them resulted in any sudden overnight changes to the world as we know it. VFX artists: You can sleep well tonight, just keep an eye on things!

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azinman2 wrote: post #373

Unless I'm missing something, this technology's harmful potential outweighs the good. What is the great outcome from it that makes society better? MORE content? TikTok already shows that you can out-influence Hollywood/governments in 10 seconds with your smartphone. Heck, you can cause riots through forwarding text messages on WhatsApp [1]. Not everything that can be done should be done, and I think this is just too…

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cs702 wrote: post #35

Impressive. It's only going to get better, faster, cheaper, easier.[a] Sooner than anyone could have expected, we'll be able to ask the machines: "Turn this book into a two-hour movie with the likeness of [your favorite actor/actress] in the lead role." Sooner than anyone could have expected, we'll be able to have immersive VR experiences that are crafted to each person. Sooner than anyone could have expected, we won…

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Post by nuancebydefault »

scudsworth wrote: post #349
denisvlr wrote: post #291

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Shameless plug: I just created a short AI film (1) and tried to tell an actual story and trigger emotions. I spent countless hours crafting the script, choosing the shots, refining my prompts, generating images, animating images, generating music, sounds, and so on... For me AI tools are just that - tools. True, you have to yield them some "control", but at the end of the day you are still the one guiding and directi…

a shameless plug deserves an honest review: this is dog shit

That's not a review. It's an (probably honest) opinion stated like a fact.

I liked it.

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dpcan wrote: post #111

You know it’s going to happen: “I want a funny road trip movie staring Jim Carey and Chris Farley, based in Europe, in the fall, where they have to rescue their mom played by Lucille ball from making the mistake of marrying a character played by an older Steve Martin.” 10 minutes later your movie is generated. If you like it, you save it, share it, etc. You have a queue of movies shared by your friends that they like…

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Post by baxtr »

intended wrote: post #332

Man, everyone is happy with these advancements, and they are impressive. I’m here looking at users and wondering - the content pipelines are broader, but the exit points of attention and human brains are constant. How the heck are you supposed to know if your content is valid? During a recent apple event, someone on YT had an AI generated video of Tim Cook announcing a crypto collaboration; it had a 100k users before…

If this was true, why haven’t we seen it with manipulated pictures?

Maybe I’m not well informed but there seem to be no example for the issues you describe with photos.

I believe it’s actually worse than you think. People believe in narratives, in stories, in ideas. These spread.

It has been like this forever. Text, pictures, videos are merely ways to proliferate narratives. We dismiss even clear evidence if it doesn’t fit our beliefs and we actively look for proof for what we think is the truth.

If you want to "fight" back you need to start on the narrative level, not on the artifact level.

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Post by inkcapmushroom »

throwup238 wrote: post #335
ddtaylor wrote: post #285

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I regularly catch my kids watching AI generated content and they don't know it.

A surprising amount of it is really popular too. I recently figured out that the Movie Recaps channel was all AI when the generated voice slipped and mispronounced a word in a really unnatural way. They post videos almost daily and they get millions of views. Must be making bank.

I was watching UFC recaps on Youtube and the algorithm got me onto AI generated MMA content, I watched for a while before realizing it. They were using old videos which were "enhanced" using AI and had an AI narrator. I only realized it when the fight footage got so old, and the AI had to do so much work to touch it up, that artifacts started appearing in the video. Once I realized it I rewatched the earlier clips in the video and could see the artifacts there too, but not until I was looking for them.

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Post by altairprime »

turblety wrote: post #127

Why do these video generation ones never become usable to the public. Is it just they had to create millions of videos and cherry pick only a handful of decent generations? Or is it just so expensive there's no business model for it? My mind instantly assumes it a money thing and they're just wanting to charge millions for it, therefore out of reach for the general public. But then with Meta's whole stance on open ai…

At “the public” Internet scale, if a hundred million people click Generate, imagine if Meta ends up paying a million dollars instantaneously.

- How many clicks of Generate are budgeted for?

- How many clicks should each user’s quota be?

- How much advertising revenue will be earned per click?

- Why should they give away a million dollars?

Right now, AI costs for this are so high that offering this feature ‘for free’ would bankrupt a small country in a matter of days, if everyone on Meta used it once. It doesn’t particularly matter what the exact cost is: it’s simply not tolerable to anyone who owes payment for the services provided.

This is also why the AI industry is trying to figure out how to shift as much AI processing as possible to devices without letting users copy their models to profit off of the training research spend.

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Post by azinman2 »

edmundsauto wrote: post #422
azinman2 wrote: post #373

Unless I'm missing something, this technology's harmful potential outweighs the good. What is the great outcome from it that makes society better? MORE content? TikTok already shows that you can out-influence Hollywood/governments in 10 seconds with your smartphone. Heck, you can cause riots through forwarding text messages on WhatsApp [1]. Not everything that can be done should be done, and I think this is just too…

> TikTok already shows that you can out-influence Hollywood/governments in 10 seconds with your smartphone I can accept the premise that TikTok is trying to do this. Do we have any objective measurement on how effective it has been?

There’s literally non stop article and studies on misinformation of every category. The evidence is beyond abundant.

I’m not suggesting TikTok themselves is trying to do this, but it (and twitter, instagram, facebook, etc etc) is shaping people’s world views.

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