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Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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maxlin wrote: post #48
WolfeReader wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to mention the number of contributors who have been blocked. (It's five.)

That's like saying only 5 devs were shot, there's tens of thousands left. The behavior of the Godot Foundation is so out of touch with the community and the general idea of trying to provide a product/service that is not politically aligned by its base idea, and whose audience is politically diverse and don't expect Godot to engage with polarizing acts. I've literally never seen a Discord blow up and grow as fast as…

Banning 5 people is actually not the same as shooting them.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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Post by davidgerard »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #31
blensor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Akien, at the time that fork was created the total number of blocked users on github was 3, as of this morning the total number of blocked users on github has increased to 5. So that doesn't really seem to be the reason why that fork was created. Maybe it's someone who was unhappy with the development in general and this was the reason to pull the trigger but overall this does look a bit off.

No public members and there's a total of one PR merged in that's just as bizarre as this entire situation. But apparently the redot discord server is buzzing and this already has 1500 stars. More than I'd expect for a pure revenge server. Who knows what's going on at this point?

Grummz followers, he's been promoting it heavily

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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Post by johnnyanmac »

maxlin wrote: post #47
ultra_chad wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outrage machine? You mean people sincerely disagreeing with the hateful bullshit the Godot community managers and moderators have been saying publically?

It's a way to dehumanize the majority of people who'd like to keep politics out of professional game development. There's no way to argue that this whole controversy wasn't just made up on purpose by a radical CM. At some point companies have to learn having these people in control of the social media profiles isn't a good idea, and siding with them is even worse. This is peak unprofessionalism and trying to poison t…

"on purpose" gives too much credit. No one ever knows when some random tweet suddenly becomes a hurricane. That's why PR tries to be as milqeutoast in posting as possible. Often never allowed to even reply to any but the most obvious questions woth the most canned responses (when is X comkng out. And not much more).

But yes, the various issues with the community (even before the Unity implosion) and its design philosophies that show no hint of changing (which are fine, just not to my needs) is why I'm looking more into Stride for my OS engine instead.

Or at least that was the plan until layoff season came. Hope 2025 gives me better stability so I can get back to my long term goals.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

#54

Post by maxlin »

despera wrote: post #50
maxlin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a way to dehumanize the majority of people who'd like to keep politics out of professional game development. There's no way to argue that this whole controversy wasn't just made up on purpose by a radical CM. At some point companies have to learn having these people in control of the social media profiles isn't a good idea, and siding with them is even worse. This is peak unprofessionalism and trying to poison t…

How do you know what the majority wants or that even matters? Simply because some sociopaths have stopped seeing themselves as active members of the society, doesn't necessarily make them neither a majority nor a healthy group of people. To honor basic human rights is "poisoning"? That's some strong projection.

I think your reply unintentionally just strengthens my point. You just double down on the dehumanization and polarization while sounding like you're out of touch with the majority.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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Post by maxlin »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #53
maxlin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a way to dehumanize the majority of people who'd like to keep politics out of professional game development. There's no way to argue that this whole controversy wasn't just made up on purpose by a radical CM. At some point companies have to learn having these people in control of the social media profiles isn't a good idea, and siding with them is even worse. This is peak unprofessionalism and trying to poison t…

"on purpose" gives too much credit. No one ever knows when some random tweet suddenly becomes a hurricane. That's why PR tries to be as milqeutoast in posting as possible. Often never allowed to even reply to any but the most obvious questions woth the most canned responses (when is X comkng out. And not much more). But yes, the various issues with the community (even before the Unity implosion) and its design philos…

I see the argument in saying the CM would do that accidentally, but don't personally buy it. They are supposed to be professionals in this, yet their post implying a stance ("woke is good and relevant to game engines") of the whole Godot community is something that could only be considered "neutral" for people who insulate themselves from said large community.

Ideally I'd like the devs of projects to handle their tweets themselves, even if they tweet less, and not be overly milktoasty about it. But the standard is in the Mariana Trench given for many companies a Golden Retriever would be a better CM. I hope Godot/Redot somehow survives this with the larger community intact.

Btw, Stride is cool. As a C# game dev for 10 years, I love to see non-Unity C# engines actually being used/seriously considered!

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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Post by maxlin »

favorited wrote: post #51
maxlin wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like saying only 5 devs were shot, there's tens of thousands left. The behavior of the Godot Foundation is so out of touch with the community and the general idea of trying to provide a product/service that is not politically aligned by its base idea, and whose audience is politically diverse and don't expect Godot to engage with polarizing acts. I've literally never seen a Discord blow up and grow as fast as…

Banning 5 people is actually not the same as shooting them.

No, neither is my example, but in the parallel it communicates a tit for tat.

Blocking work of actual devs off the cuff damns the stance of Godot.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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Post by woobilicious »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #53
maxlin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a way to dehumanize the majority of people who'd like to keep politics out of professional game development. There's no way to argue that this whole controversy wasn't just made up on purpose by a radical CM. At some point companies have to learn having these people in control of the social media profiles isn't a good idea, and siding with them is even worse. This is peak unprofessionalism and trying to poison t…

"on purpose" gives too much credit. No one ever knows when some random tweet suddenly becomes a hurricane. That's why PR tries to be as milqeutoast in posting as possible. Often never allowed to even reply to any but the most obvious questions woth the most canned responses (when is X comkng out. And not much more). But yes, the various issues with the community (even before the Unity implosion) and its design philos…

She has "obnoxiously queer" in her twitter bio,

"they" posted "Apparently Game Engines are woke now" "show us your #wokot games below", which is obviously rage bait, in response to a stupid tweet with minimum traction.

She blocked mild criticism, and then I kid you not, posted a selfie of herself in the shower, to flame Asmongold due to his video on the subject.

Saying that something is "random" is completely ignoring the fact that at every chance she had to be obnoxiously queer, she took it.

Xananax also posted a unprofessional message on the official website linked discord, and then the so called official response to the situation made excuses saying that this discord isn't official.

They've had many instances to act better, distance themselves from the unprofessional behavior and didn't take it.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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Post by despera »

maxlin wrote: post #54
despera wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know what the majority wants or that even matters? Simply because some sociopaths have stopped seeing themselves as active members of the society, doesn't necessarily make them neither a majority nor a healthy group of people. To honor basic human rights is "poisoning"? That's some strong projection.

I think your reply unintentionally just strengthens my point. You just double down on the dehumanization and polarization while sounding like you're out of touch with the majority.

Polarization like... staying tf away from racists, homophobics, genocide supporters and in general toxic people? Yeah, i guess that's the kinda of polarization that i can support. Majority or not.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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Post by krapp »

maxlin wrote: post #56
favorited wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banning 5 people is actually not the same as shooting them.

No, neither is my example, but in the parallel it communicates a tit for tat. Blocking work of actual devs off the cuff damns the stance of Godot.

Godot is doing fine. Most of the community is on their side, and they've gotten donations and support in solidarity for their stance. Development continues unabated.

Meanwhile the only thing Redot has accomplished to date is an angy logo.

Something tells me those "actual devs" weren't contributing anything of value, if at all.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

#60

Post by maxlin »

despera wrote: post #58
maxlin wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your reply unintentionally just strengthens my point. You just double down on the dehumanization and polarization while sounding like you're out of touch with the majority.

Polarization like... staying tf away from racists, homophobics, genocide supporters and in general toxic people? Yeah, i guess that's the kinda of polarization that i can support. Majority or not.

Doubling down on irrelevant labels is just self projection from you at this point.

But in abstract, people want to make games. If you go looking for trouble and try to shed more and more layers off, eventually you're left only with radicals and yes men. The obvious choice is to just not bring politics to arenas where people are strongest just playing to their strengths together. Forcing in partisanship for no reason only makes the whole weaker in their mission, while also becoming an echo chamber.

Make games with everyone that wants to make games, for everyone that wants to play games. Or get out of the industry.

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