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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by heyjamesknight »

moonmagick wrote: post #196

Yawn. I don't use Claude because the interface is good. I use it because Opus 3 is the best model anyone has ever created for long context coding, writing and retrieval. Give me a model that doesn't have polluted dataset to game MMLU scores, something that tangibly gives good results, and maybe I'll care again. For now I only keep ChatGPT because it's better Google.

Have you used Gemini? With the built-in RAG I actually find it way better than both Google Search and OpenAI for search. I think Claude still wins for overall chat quality but Gemini is amazing for Search, especially when you're not exactly sure what you're looking for.

Disclaimer: I work at Google Cloud, but I've had hands-on dev experience with all the major models.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by throwgfgfd25 »

yawnxyz wrote: post #124
throwgfgfd25 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I've just read back through some of your comments and I say that ain't so! Write honestly. Write the way you write. Use your own flow, make your own grammatical wobbles, whatever they are. Express yourself authentically. Don't let an AI do this to you.

Aw thanks! I at least have the benefit of being a fluent writer. For lots of East Asian researchers it's really embarrassing for them to send an email riddled with typos, so they spend a LOT of time making their emails nice. I like that tools like this can lift their burden

> For lots of East Asian researchers it's really embarrassing for them to send an email riddled with typos, so they spend a LOT of time making their emails nice.

OK -- I can see this. But I think Grammarly would be better than this.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by moonmagick »

mmooss wrote: post #183
IncreasePosts wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no love for Altman - he Altman seems like a (very successful) huckster to me, but I also read the sexual assault allegations as coming from a very mentally disturbed person, to the point that I'm not going to use that data point as part of my judgement of him.

I know nothing about these claims or Altman, but this argument fits the pattern of three commonplace threads that I hope people will notice in these situations: 1) Smearing the attacker: When someone unknown accuses or opposes a powerful public person, a standard response is to smear the accuser's credibility and reputation, creating doubts in onlookers, and causing day-to-day harm and high levels of stress and press…

Statistically, this form of abuse is extremely common. Something like 2-5% of women who have a sibling are sexually abused by them. Sam would have also been a child at this time. My experience of this world, especially SF startup scene, is that most people are mentally ill in some way and some people are just better at hiding it. We can both accept that Sam's sister is a bit ill, this probably did happen, and we probably shouldn't punish adults for the actions of their child selves too harshly. Does that seem ethical and fair?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by sanex »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #192
dartos wrote: post #186

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Yup. Prompts have no moat.

It depends on who the moat is supposed to keep out. A reasonable case from an antitrust regulator would be that if a provider of models/apis gleans the prompts from the users of the apis to build competing products... they are in trouble. Good prompts may actually have a moat - a complex agent system is basically just a lot of prompts and infra to co-ordinate the outputs/inputs.

Amazon Basics is kind of the same thing, they haven't been sued. Yet.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by j2bax »

olddustytrail wrote: post #159
rvnx wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(edited: removed link about some parties organized by influential people)

It's a secret that there are parties where people get drunk, take drugs and have sex? I'm pretty sure that's not a secret. It's just the definition of a party if you're a young adult.

It's a bit creepy when the ratio is 2 to 1 or more and/or a significant age difference of the male to female attendees...

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by qwertox »

OpenAI is so far ahead of the competition. They're able to implement anything they like from competitors, and then some.

Claude really needs a sandbox to execute code.

If Anthropic would be smart about it, they'd offer developers ("advanced users") containers which implement sandboxes, which they can pull to their local machines, which then connect to Claude so that it can execute code on the user's machine (inside the containers), freeing up resources and having less security concerns on their side. It would be up to us if we wrap it in a VM, but if we're comfortable about it, we could even let it fetch things from the internet. They should open source it, of course.

In the meantime Google still dabbles in their odd closed system, where you can't even download the complete history in a JSON file. Maybe takeout allows this, but I wouldn't know. They don't understand that this is different than their other services, where they (used to) gatekeep all the gathered data.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

j2bax wrote: post #205
olddustytrail wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a secret that there are parties where people get drunk, take drugs and have sex? I'm pretty sure that's not a secret. It's just the definition of a party if you're a young adult.

It's a bit creepy when the ratio is 2 to 1 or more and/or a significant age difference of the male to female attendees...

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dartos »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #192
dartos wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Prompts have no moat.

It depends on who the moat is supposed to keep out. A reasonable case from an antitrust regulator would be that if a provider of models/apis gleans the prompts from the users of the apis to build competing products... they are in trouble. Good prompts may actually have a moat - a complex agent system is basically just a lot of prompts and infra to co-ordinate the outputs/inputs.

> Good prompts may actually have a moat - a complex agent system is basically just a lot of prompts.

The second part of that statement (is wrong and) negates the first.

Prompts aren’t a science. There’s no rationale behind them.

They’re tricks and quirks that people find in current models to increase some success metric those people came up with.

They may not work from one model to the next. They don’t vary that much from one another. They, in all honesty, are not at all difficult or require any real skill to make. (I’ve worked at 2 AI startups and have seen the Apple prompts, aider prompts, and continue prompts) Just trial and error and an understanding of the English language.

Moreover, a complex agent system is much more than prompts (the last AI startup and the current one I work at are both complex agent systems). Machinery needs to be built, deployed, and maintained for agents to work. That may be a set of services for handling all the different messaging channels or it may be a single simple server that daisy chains prompts.

Those systems are a moat as much as any software is.

Prompts are not.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ryandrake »

olddustytrail wrote: post #159
rvnx wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(edited: removed link about some parties organized by influential people)

It's a secret that there are parties where people get drunk, take drugs and have sex? I'm pretty sure that's not a secret. It's just the definition of a party if you're a young adult.

OP included a link (subsequently removed) to a description of these supposed "parties" that describe them more like the ritualized sex mansion scene in Eyes Wide Shut rather than a normal young-adult "let's get wasted" party.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by therein »

j0hnyl wrote: post #139
arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

As much as I want to like Claude, it sucks in comparison to ChatGPT in every way I've tested, and I'm going to use the better product. As a consumer, the governance model only results in an inferior product that produces way more refusals for basic tasks.

This hasn't been my experience. Claude often hallucinates less for me and is able to reason better in fields where knowledge is obscure.

ChatGPT will just start to pretend like some perfect library that doesn't exist exists.

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