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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by indymike »

jxramos wrote: post #106
indymike wrote: post #84

Can we stop naming things canvas? Please?

it's a dogpile of an overloaded term. At first I thought this was about writing html canvas source using ChatGPT.

How things get named Canvas:

"Name it clay" -- artistic CMO

"Won't people think they will have to get their hands dirty?" -- CEO

"Right. Name it sculpt. It has a sense of je ne sais quoi about it." -- hipster CMO

"No one can spell sculpt, and that French does not mean what you think it means." -- CFO

"Got it! Name it canvas! It's a blank canvas! It can be anything!" -- CMO

"Perfect!" -- Entire executive team who is now sick of CMO's naming excercise.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by 8338550bff96 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #83
wenc wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. This is exactly what Google’s NotebookLM does. It’s (currently) free and it reads your Google Docs and does RAG on them. https://notebooklm.google/

The most amazing thing with notebooklm is that is can turn your docs into a very high quality podcast of two people discussing the content of your docs.

Finding signal in noise is not an easy job given clip things are moving along. Whatever content creators need to do to deliver quality distilled content - I'm here for it.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by j0hnyl »

globular-toast wrote: post #145
j0hnyl wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I want to like Claude, it sucks in comparison to ChatGPT in every way I've tested, and I'm going to use the better product. As a consumer, the governance model only results in an inferior product that produces way more refusals for basic tasks.

This is why free markets aren't the solution to all our problems.

How so? Seems to me that this is exactly the solution.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by brailsafe »

Ironically for these products, the amount of obviously llm generated bot comments astroturfing on HN and making it to the top of these corporate shill posts really aren't attracting me to using any of them. Read a bunch of glassdoor or google map reviews and then read these comments, clear as the water in a glacial lake; if the comments aren't fake, maybe it's just the people working for them that are? If you produce enough fake slop to be indistinguishable from a machine slop generator, does the difference even matter anymore? Are you still human?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by j0hnyl »

aeze wrote: post #149
j0hnyl wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I want to like Claude, it sucks in comparison to ChatGPT in every way I've tested, and I'm going to use the better product. As a consumer, the governance model only results in an inferior product that produces way more refusals for basic tasks.

Agreed on the principle (using the better product) but interestingly I've had the opposite experience when comparing Claude 3.5 Sonnet vs GPT 4o. Claude's been far and away superior on coding tasks. What have you been testing for?

I do a lot of cybersecurity and cyber adjacent work, and Claud will refuse quite a lot for even benign tasks just based on me referencing or using tools that has any sort of cyber context associated with it. It's like negotiating with a stubborn toddler.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by AndyKelley »

atomic128 wrote: post #75
danielovichdk wrote: post #38

No thank you. As with anything else that is helpful, there is a balancing act to be aware of. This is too much for my taste. Just like github copilot is too much. It's too dumb like this. But chatgpt is insanely helpful in a context where I really need to learn something I am deep diving into or where I need an extra layer of direction. I do not use the tool for coding up front. I use them for iterations on narrow su…

Don't fight this. Try to profit from it. People love these tools and they will become utterly, utterly dependent. Using a spell-checker, I have gradually lost my ability to spell. Using these LLM tools, large parts of the population will lose the ability to think. Try to own them like farm animals. The large number of tokens being processed by iterative models requires enormous energy. Look at the power draw of a Hop…

Counterpoint: don't try to own people like farm animals. Have pride in humanity, faith in your fellow man, and resist toxic cynicism.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by svat »

cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

> the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs

Google already does have this in Google Docs (and all their products)? You can ask it questions about the current doc, select a paragraph and ask click on "rewrite", things like that. Has helped me get over writer's block at least a couple of times. Similarly for making slides etc. (It requires the paid subscription if you want to use it from a personal account.)

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/13951448 shows some of it for Docs, and https://support.google.com/mail/answer/13447104 is the one for various Workspace products.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by olddustytrail »

rvnx wrote: post #140
iwishiknewlisp wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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(edited: removed link about some parties organized by influential people)

It's a secret that there are parties where people get drunk, take drugs and have sex?

I'm pretty sure that's not a secret. It's just the definition of a party if you're a young adult.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by 8338550bff96 »

aboringusername wrote: post #57

Excuse my possible ignorance but I had a question: Does ChatGPT have 'up to date knowledge' in terms of latest versions of software? When I have used it I asked it to help me with VueJS but whilst it knew about version 3 (which is substantially different to V2) it didn't know the very latest version. Isn't this going to be problematic if it's trying to help code but has outdated information? Won't this result in more…

You can count on ChatGPT to know the exact versions and release dates of software just the same as you can rely on your friendly neighborhood dev to know it off the top of their head - not at all. A dev would likely have to look it up too. A language model would also need to look it up through function calling (or just including in your prompt).

This kind of scenario, where there are concrete answers in some datastore somewhere and the relevance of the content that the model was trained on varies chronologically (a blog post on the latest version of React circa 2015 could deliver a wrong answer), are the ones you want to engineer around. This is where you start using SDKs and binding tools to your LLM so you can ensure grounding context is available to generate correct answers.

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