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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by thornewolf » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

lionkor wrote: post #36

thornewolf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you are attacking a strawman here.

I believe it's not solving a real problem. I believe that the human skills of reasoning, logical thinking, etc. make it possible for any able minded human to do the things I just mentioned, given time and money is provided. AI can't do that. Let's call that process "programming". It cant do programming. It pretends to program.

You are entitled to interpret the word "programming" in multiple different ways depending on the context of the conversation. What you propose here as "programming" is valid but not comprehensive of what everyone may think of when considering the "programming" process.

By many definitions of "programming", these AI tools are indeed programming. In the same way, many definitions of "reasoning, ..." may include the AI tools in them. However, there are alternate definitions (reasonable in their own way) in which it is clear these AI tools fall short.

So, I think you are proposing an argument of semantics but presenting it as if it is an argument on actual capabilities of these AI tools. In general, we all are in agreement on what these systems are capable of.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by pikseladam » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

danielovichdk wrote: post #38

No thank you. As with anything else that is helpful, there is a balancing act to be aware of. This is too much for my taste. Just like github copilot is too much. It's too dumb like this. But chatgpt is insanely helpful in a context where I really need to learn something I am deep diving into or where I need an extra layer of direction. I do not use the tool for coding up front. I use them for iterations on narrow su…

i agree but it is optional

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by wseqyrku » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

this would be incredible for scripting.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by vunderba » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

Slick interface but the example they gave is depressing.

We taught the model to open a canvas for prompts like “Write a blog post about the history of coffee beans”.

If you're not heavily editing this post to say something genuinely new, then congratulations you've added even more drivel to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch of the internet.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by SeanAnderson » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:56 PM UTC

I'm playing around with this right now and it's pretty sweet. It real-time shows which lines it's "thinking" about working and feels very dynamic, like I'm working with a machine in real-time.

It can't display markdown and formatted code side-by-side which is kind of a surprise.

I haven't tried doing anything super complex with it yet. Just having it generate some poems, but it's smart enough to be able to use natural language to edit the middle of a paragraph of text without rewriting the whole thing, didn't notice any issues with me saying "undo" and having data change in surprising ways, etc. So far so good!

I'm not very skilled at creating good "test" scenarios for this, but I found this to be fun/interesting: https://i.imgur.com/TMhNEcf.png

I had it write some Python code to output a random poem. I then had it write some code to find/replace a word in the poem (sky -> goodbye). I then manually edited each of the input poems to include the word "sky".

I then told it to execute the python code (which causes it to run "Analyzing...") and to show the output on the screen. In doing so, I see output which includes the word replacement of sky->goodbye.

My naive interpretation of this is that I could use this as a makeshift Python IDE at this point?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by anonzzzies » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:56 PM UTC

Why don't companies learn from the really best times of Apple; announce; immediately available. Sure I know why but that used to be why I liked them. This marketing grift is terrible.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by low_tech_punk » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

Funny timing. StackBlitz announced Bolt.new (https://bolt.new/) today with multi-file edit, emulated filesystem, arbitrary npm installs, and is open source. I feel ChatGPT is still chasing after Claude 3.5 artifact.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ibbih » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

yawnxyz wrote: post #16

The most surprising part of this announcement was the team who worked on this — more people worked on and contributed to this than many startups. There are 16 people working on this project!! If each was paid $300k (that's a minimum...) and they spent a year on this, it'd make it a $5M project...

1- very unlikely they spent a year on just this 2- they are certainly paid more as TC

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by koppeirh » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

vunderba wrote: post #44

Slick interface but the example they gave is depressing. We taught the model to open a canvas for prompts like “Write a blog post about the history of coffee beans”. If you're not heavily editing this post to say something genuinely new, then congratulations you've added even more drivel to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch of the internet.

Making products to empower sloppyjoes is all they have left it seems.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dgellow » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

pikseladam wrote: post #40

openai gpt is a service not a product but canvas is the first product that openai build. i guess we will see new products in future. canvas is a new product, thats why they didn't introduce it at devday.

ChatGPT is their first product. Canvas would be the second?