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EU: Definition of "potential terrorists" opens door to broad information-sharing

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#12

Protecting democracy by evading democratic processes. If they are not trusting the parliaments to come up with the right decisions, what are they protecting then?

When has the EU ever been democratic? Brussels has lost, but ignored every referendum for the last 20 years.

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post #4

I mean we’re 20 years into shipping suspects without trial to Cuba

The article is about the EU, though.

So?

Did we already forget the Polish blacksites?

Have we already forgotten the Italian secret services aiding the abduction of a man in Italy?

Re: EU: Definition of "potential terrorists" opens door to broad information-sharing

#14
That's pretty crazy, it looks a lot like in Minority Report. Notice the reference to a "future criminal offence" and the phrase "leading to the belief" in the criteria:

    A “minimum materiality threshold”. This requires “objective and verifiable… information suggesting that a criminal offence, or future criminal offence, has a certain degree of seriousness.”
    A “basic indicative criterion”. This requires “objective, verifiable information” leading to a belief that the individual in question “will in the future commit, facilitate, support or engage in terrorist or violent extremist offences.”
    A series of “indicative auxiliary criteria”. This could be involvement in terrorist offences, sharing terrorist content online, or being the subject of an EU entry ban.

Re: EU: Definition of "potential terrorists" opens door to broad information-sharing

#15

Well the entire surveillance system we've slaved over to build during the ZIRP boom is ready to roll, AI was the final piece for cheap summarization of potential threats. Now the laws have to be drafted gently to boil the frog.

executive summaries as a service

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#16

This will be used to silence political dissent in the EU. The current rulers fear the change which could come about if they allow the political climate to shift in the direction which it is ready to.

How silly.

Orban and his fellows are the ones who engage in authoritarianism.

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#18
From the article "Climate activism is on the rise, together with an increased willingness to use violence, marking a shift from environmental activism to environmental extremism"

As far as I can tell, climate activists have been making a nuisance of themselves much more than a 'willingness to use violence.' I find this justification concerning, to say the least.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is about the EU, though.

So? Did we already forget the Polish blacksites? Have we already forgotten the Italian secret services aiding the abduction of a man in Italy?

In general you have a point, but still that did not happen in Cuba.

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post #12

Protecting democracy by evading democratic processes. If they are not trusting the parliaments to come up with the right decisions, what are they protecting then?

When has the EU ever been democratic? Brussels has lost, but ignored every referendum for the last 20 years.

That stance ("ever been democratic") is a bit too strong for my taste. There are definitely issues with the EU parliament having no rights to propose laws or the amount of indirection between voters and some powerful institutions. But calling the EU not being democratic is going too far, in my eyes. Especially considering the setup as a confederation of sovereign countries, so the comparison to individual countries' systems is problematic.
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