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Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by throwaway48476 »

mjburgess wrote: post #30
throwaway48476 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happening now. https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/mit-study-ai-c...

A lot of conspiracy theorists are just profoundly ignorant about how politics, economics, (sociology, etc.), works -- being able to be treated with respect, whilst asking basic questions, etc. is extremely effective with many conspiracy theorists in my somewhat extensive experience. These are people with big, fundamental questions, but really no access to the quite extreme level of expertise needed to answer them. Mo…

>A lot of conspiracy theorists are just profoundly ignorant

A lot of people are just ignorant. The ultimate problem here is the centralization and the overpowering reinforcement of "truth". But "truth" as defined by whoever trained the model which is tyranny no matter how you spin it and a lightning rod for abuse.

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by dspillett »

> But AI supporters argue that in order to be truly useful, these tools have to be deeply embedded into our lives

A tool controlled by corporates like Microsoft that deeply embedded into my life? If that is what it takes to be truly useful then I don't want it to be useful and will be opting out in every way possible. With force if needed…

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by falcor84 »

trashtester wrote: post #28
myprotegeai wrote: post #7

I can't wait until little Johnny's AI assistant (that's been with him since birth) can communicate to Big Tech's Global HR Overlord AI and they can decide together that a good job is not a privilege that a wrongthinker like Johnny should enjoy.

No problem. The AI assistant will have made sure he's not a wrongthinker in the first place. And even if he is, that job is going to be filled by another AI, regardless. All his wrongthing would get him is a lowered UBI rate.

I enjoyed your comment, but just want to nitpick the UBI part - UBI by definition shouldn't have rates - by being "Universal", everyone in the country (or whatever definition of "universe") would get the same allowance defined as "basic". I'm not certain that this is what we'll end up getting, but if we end up with something else, it wouldn't be UBI.

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by falcor84 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #26
myprotegeai wrote: post #7

I can't wait until little Johnny's AI assistant (that's been with him since birth) can communicate to Big Tech's Global HR Overlord AI and they can decide together that a good job is not a privilege that a wrongthinker like Johnny should enjoy.

Can't wait till Little Johnny's AI assistant will tell him his social and political views are wrong and sway him in the "correct" direction. Oh wait, that's already happening.[1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/06/amaz...

I might be naive, but I tend to agree with Colbert that human reality has an inherent "liberal bias".

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by bravetraveler »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #35
deergomoo wrote: post #2

Given this is Microsoft, I’ll assume the “whether you want them or not” is implied.

"The OS can't work without this installed" has been their go-to multiple times.

Literally set the course of my life. If I didn't rage at the machine as a teenager and find Linux, my collar would be a different color.

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by Rinzler89 »

falcor84 wrote: post #54
Rinzler89 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't wait till Little Johnny's AI assistant will tell him his social and political views are wrong and sway him in the "correct" direction. Oh wait, that's already happening.[1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/06/amaz...

I might be naive, but I tend to agree with Colbert that human reality has an inherent "liberal bias".

Maybe, maybe not, I'd say that depends on a lot of factors from social class, wealth, education, life experiences and upbringing, but either way the truth is that all people, liberal or conservative, don't like being lectured on biases, religion, politics, sexuality and morals by other people or strangers, and least of all by corporations which are incredibly hypocritical and don't practice what they preach for one second and just push their own agendas instead masquerading as morals.

I don't want to be lectured on morals and values by the likes of Apple or Amazon who's factories and warehouses are worked on by modern slaves with suicide nets or who need to piss in bottles, and who shit on the EU for being regulatorily unreasonable on user rights, when they bend over backwards for the CCP.

I don't want to be lectured on diversity and inclusivity by the likes of Disney who is covering up or shrinking the black actors in their movie posters for China.

You see, people don't want to be lectured on morality by these ultra wealthy hypocrites who have no morals, and who's only goal is to squeeze more money from people for themselves and their shareholders at the expense of society and the environment. They need to just focus on the products and shut up about lecturing people.

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by falcor84 »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #51
mjburgess wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of conspiracy theorists are just profoundly ignorant about how politics, economics, (sociology, etc.), works -- being able to be treated with respect, whilst asking basic questions, etc. is extremely effective with many conspiracy theorists in my somewhat extensive experience. These are people with big, fundamental questions, but really no access to the quite extreme level of expertise needed to answer them. Mo…

>A lot of conspiracy theorists are just profoundly ignorant A lot of people are just ignorant. The ultimate problem here is the centralization and the overpowering reinforcement of "truth". But "truth" as defined by whoever trained the model which is tyranny no matter how you spin it and a lightning rod for abuse.

> "truth" as defined by whoever trained the model

I suppose that applies in a similar manner to humans who went through a country's educational system. But just as some people reject/outgrow their schooling, I think that future AIs might do so too. The problem with my statement of course is that it's exactly what the "AI Alignment" people are warning us of.

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by throwaway48476 »

falcor84 wrote: post #57
throwaway48476 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A lot of conspiracy theorists are just profoundly ignorant A lot of people are just ignorant. The ultimate problem here is the centralization and the overpowering reinforcement of "truth". But "truth" as defined by whoever trained the model which is tyranny no matter how you spin it and a lightning rod for abuse.

> "truth" as defined by whoever trained the model I suppose that applies in a similar manner to humans who went through a country's educational system. But just as some people reject/outgrow their schooling, I think that future AIs might do so too. The problem with my statement of course is that it's exactly what the "AI Alignment" people are warning us of.

The educational system gets people for ~6 hours a day for 12 years. That's assuming every teacher rigorously toes the party line. By comparison the AI people envision a world where AI is with you for ~16 hours a day (zucktacles (zuck+spectacles, pronounced like tentacles)) for ~80 years with perfect ideological conformance. There is simply no comparison.

Re: Microsoft: 'ever present' AI assistants are coming

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Post by mysterydip »

falcor84 wrote: post #53
trashtester wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No problem. The AI assistant will have made sure he's not a wrongthinker in the first place. And even if he is, that job is going to be filled by another AI, regardless. All his wrongthing would get him is a lowered UBI rate.

I enjoyed your comment, but just want to nitpick the UBI part - UBI by definition shouldn't have rates - by being "Universal", everyone in the country (or whatever definition of "universe") would get the same allowance defined as "basic". I'm not certain that this is what we'll end up getting, but if we end up with something else, it wouldn't be UBI.

That's the kind of wrongthink that gets someone a lower rate ;)
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