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What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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I've seen this advise from other sources as well: "Spend time outside and get morning light" (In the first hour of getting up).

That is a really stupid advise, it only for a few months a year. The rest of the time it's dark when I get up and will remain dark for more than an hour.

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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post #55

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> I use my phone on a morning for Duolingo Duolingo is extremely passive. you're not learning a language, you're learning how to answer correctly on an app. It's a lot more time efficient to do exercises from a grammar. But... It doesn't feel as good. Which is exactly the point.

I think that there are a lot of issues with the way Duolingo motives people through unhealthy incentives, but research does show that it works. Though it will need to be used in conjunction with other methods of learning to be truly helpful. But then, why would you learn a language if you’re not going to actively use it? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/379288394_The_Effec...

No, research doesn't show that it works.

That research you link has been conducted by Xiangying Jiang and Bozena Pajak (first and last authors). If you want to contact them about how totally objective and unbiased they are, here are their emails:

xiangying@duolingo.com bozena@duolingo.com

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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post #103

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That quote made me lose interest in anything that article had to say. It's such a ridiculous claim to say that everything that is close to my face is automatically registered as a threat, and I bet that 99.99% of things that regularly gets close to peoples faces (even disregarding smartphones from that statistic) are actually not threats at all. I don't think it makes evolutionary sense at all since it would cause us…

I'm surprised you made it that far before filing it as the BS it is, given that "Screens" in general have been the enemy in that article. Not what they display, how they operate or any other detail. No. Screens. A thing that displays information.

stanford.edu :)

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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“One of the biggest issues with picking up the phone right away in the morning is that when you have an object close to your face, it’s registered as a threat,” says Loeffler. “You wouldn’t want to wake up and look a bear in the face every morning. On a physiological level, it’s the same thing.” This is interesting to me. It does make some evolutionary sense but at the same time, i wake up every morning and look at m…

It is just-so. That is the primary method in evolutionary psychology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

#115

> more than two hours outside of work but that 8-10 of work screen? can't be bad! smh

Seriously. What does "screen time" even mean if it doesn't include the 9 hours a day I spend staring at 8 square feet of monitors and the ~45 mins the TV is on during meals?

If they mean "phones" say "phones". If they mean "social media" say "social media". Oh but then all the bullshit about stuff being close to one's face wouldn't make "sense" (I wear glasses, I must be constantly terrorising myself.)

It may be a very slight overreaction but my first thought is that everybody in the entire faculty that produced these findings should be re-employed doing something actually useful like grocery deliveries.

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I use my phone on a morning for Duolingo Duolingo is extremely passive. you're not learning a language, you're learning how to answer correctly on an app. It's a lot more time efficient to do exercises from a grammar. But... It doesn't feel as good. Which is exactly the point.

That's too dismissive in my view. Duolingo isn't as good as in-person lessons, but it's still way better than nothing. I'd also argue that grammar exercises are cripplingly boring for most people, so if the choice is not learning or grammar exercises they'd choose not learning, which is worse. I'd also argue that you're only talking strictly about learning language in the most efficient way, but missing out on the fa…

> Duolingo isn't as good as in-person lessons, but it's still way better than nothing

I disagree. Duolingo makes you feel that you are being productive and you are learning (when you actually don't).

That is worse than nothing, because when you do nothing you know you are being indulgent, will feel bad about it, and react.

Duolingo is like a candy wrapped in package that says "this is a healthy vegetable".

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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post #70

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No, only actually candlelight is fine. Ideally an open fire. However reading itself is unnatural so it can only lead to negative outcomes..

I take it you you’re sarcastic but natural is dying at age twenty from a broken leg, miss me with natural living

I know it's just an example, but it didn't take modern medicine for us not to die of broken legs at twenty. There's some risks sure, but the norm was presumably lying down and resting because it (especially doing anything else) bloody hurts, it gradually healing, and then varying degrees of hobbling for the rest of life because it healed without a splint.

(And then it wouldn't be that surprising I don't think if we figured out splints long before anything you might call medicine.)

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

#118

I've seen this advise from other sources as well: "Spend time outside and get morning light" (In the first hour of getting up). That is a really stupid advise, it only for a few months a year. The rest of the time it's dark when I get up and will remain dark for more than an hour.

Maybe it's consistent with hyperfocus on doing things 'naturally' though? Before timekeeping we would've just risen & started work with the sun, gone to bed when it was dark and we tired.

I'm not actually advocating that (I kind of like it but it's also a bit incompatible with interacting with a society not living such a way, to varying degrees depending on your job, family, etc.) I just wonder if that would be the author's response - well what are you doing up over an hour before sunrise.

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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post #11

“One of the biggest issues with picking up the phone right away in the morning is that when you have an object close to your face, it’s registered as a threat,” says Loeffler. “You wouldn’t want to wake up and look a bear in the face every morning. On a physiological level, it’s the same thing.” This is interesting to me. It does make some evolutionary sense but at the same time, i wake up every morning and look at m…

> You wouldn’t want to wake up and look a bear in the face every morning. Sure I would! If I’m alive every day when I look at that bear, that’s a pretty good sign they don’t mean to harm me. In fact, sleeping next to a bear sounds like great protection from other predators, and quite warm and cosy too, like a giant cat.

> like a giant cat.

I'm pretty convinced my cat would eat me when I'm late with her lunch if she could.

Re: What excessive screen time does to the adult brain

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I wonder if any of these studies distinguish between people who use screentime more productively. I use my phone on a morning for Duolingo and logging my workouts. That's quite different to doomscrolling, but I still wonder if it's good or bad. There's also the category of people who stew infront of a TV all day - it's unsurprising that these people will have lower cognitive functions, but is that because they don't…

Duolingo has just as many smart people working on making its app addictive as anybody else.

I would think more?! It would be my first example of something horrifically gamified etc.

I suppose it's just the worst I'll put up with / I don't generally use those kinds of apps, but if that can seem like nothing to people...

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