Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux • Hacker News Board

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by nkurz » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:03 PM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #35

freehunter wrote: post #29

This is good news for Flash, but it does make me sad. Not because it means Flash will continue to be around, but because I really don't like Chrome on Linux. Don't get me wrong, I love Chrome. I use it on Windows all the time. But Linux has this little niggle I can't stand with default browser behavior: Firefox calls it "browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll". And Firefox allows you to change that to true or false. I'm not…

Do not try and bend the spoon. That is impossible. Instead, only try and realize the truth - there is no spoon. Then you will see it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. Eg - when you can't adapt the world to yourself, adapt yourself to the world. Don't get emotionally affected by every little annoyance in the world and especially technology, that way madness lies. Eg - pick a workaround, go with it, hab…

Don't get emotionally affected by every little annoyance in the world and especially technology, that way madness lies.

Madness, but occasionally madness and change. The OP and his angry cohort are trading their collective sanity for thousands of mostly invisible minor improvements that make the world a better place.

I mainly use Chrome on Mac, but also hate this behavior. Yes, clicking on an insertion point, cussing, and using Ctrl-A works if I want to select the beginning of the URL, but if I wanted to do this I would have stuck with the keyboard and not bothered carefully selecting my insertion point.

Rage on OP!

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by azakai » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:03 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #22

Hopefully this will lead other browser makers to integrate Native Client as well which would lead to a world free of browser-plugins!

> Hopefully this will lead other browser makers to integrate Native Client as well which would lead to a world free of browser-plugins!

That is self-contradictory. Native Client is a browser plugin (it uses the PPAPI browser plugin interface).

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by azakai » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:05 PM UTC

This is exactly why relying on plugins and closed-source components for the web is dangerous. Adobe can just decide to stop supporting a platform (Linux), and only companies partnering with Adobe (Google) get to keep using Flash.

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by sa1 » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:17 PM UTC

makomk wrote: post #7

nodata wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iirc Adobe has dropped NPAPI support for browsers on Linux, leaving Chrome on Linux as the only browser that support the new PPAPI interface. So if you want to use new versions of Flash on Linux, you have to use Chrome.

Obviously Chromium supports PPAPI too, but as far as I can tell the PPAPI version of Flash isn't available for it so the official Google-branded Chrome releases really are the only option for Flash on Linux.

You can use the PPAPI versions with Chromium if you want to. You just need to extract the so file from chrome package and use it for Chromium. There are readymade packages available in AUR for instance. Of course your point stands that officially Chrome is the only option left.

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:21 PM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #29

This is good news for Flash, but it does make me sad. Not because it means Flash will continue to be around, but because I really don't like Chrome on Linux. Don't get me wrong, I love Chrome. I use it on Windows all the time. But Linux has this little niggle I can't stand with default browser behavior: Firefox calls it "browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll". And Firefox allows you to change that to true or false. I'm not…

Doesn't... double clicking the URL bar solve this problem?

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:22 PM UTC

panacea wrote: post #16

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they really? I'd say they are far more invested in WebKit, HTML5 and Java.

The only things I can think of are Flash in YouTube provides far more control over playback for things like downloading, ad delivery etc. But fundamentally... Street View. I can't see how that will be delivered with high performance by HTML5 any time soon.

Which is why they're furiously working on MediaSource API (and it's been in Chrome for a while for those who pay attention to their about:flags)

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by recursive » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:42 PM UTC

jiggy2011 wrote: post #20

panacea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only things I can think of are Flash in YouTube provides far more control over playback for things like downloading, ad delivery etc. But fundamentally... Street View. I can't see how that will be delivered with high performance by HTML5 any time soon.

It doesn't seem that unlikely, street view is mostly a fancy slideshow.

It does some pretty sweet 3d-aware image manipulation. I wouldn't call that a slide show.

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by jiggy2011 » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:47 PM UTC

recursive wrote: post #47

jiggy2011 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem that unlikely, street view is mostly a fancy slideshow.

It does some pretty sweet 3d-aware image manipulation. I wouldn't call that a slide show.

On the client end?

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by biot » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 6:09 PM UTC

gman99 wrote: post #38

ajross wrote: post #36

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Keybindings are weird animals. I've always used Ctrl-L for that, which focuses the URL bar and selects it. I note that Alt-D will not remove focus from an existing text widget, so it doesn't work as reliably. Where does Alt-D come from? I guess it's a vestige of an earlier browser? Also, as the OP is using a mouse action, it's worth pointing out that triple-clicking the URL does a select-all (by analogy to selecting…

>>Where does Alt-D come from? Internet Explorer. If I remember correctly, Phoenix (firefox) was the first browser to support that keybinding. The lack of support for this shortcut in Netscape/Mozilla was one of the reasons I struggled to switch away from IE back in the day. Really hated Ctrl+L as it required two hands (OK, you need two hands to type out the URL, but I was used to Alt+D dammit! :)

It is the shortcut on the first 'd' in "Address", or "A&ddress" for any WIN32 developers out there.

Re: Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

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Post by freehunter » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 6:11 PM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #45

freehunter wrote: post #29

This is good news for Flash, but it does make me sad. Not because it means Flash will continue to be around, but because I really don't like Chrome on Linux. Don't get me wrong, I love Chrome. I use it on Windows all the time. But Linux has this little niggle I can't stand with default browser behavior: Firefox calls it "browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll". And Firefox allows you to change that to true or false. I'm not…

Doesn't... double clicking the URL bar solve this problem?

please don't tell me about your keyboard shortcuts, don't tell me to click three times, don't tell me to click and drag... if you're making me use your browser, let me use it the way I want to.

The problem is it's inconsistent with other platforms.