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Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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If there were a "Trade your Kindle Fire" button on that page I would click it in a second. I like my Kindle Fire but it has issues. I'd kill for just a hardware volume control. It's hard to say without handling one, but my guess is to choose the Nexus over the Fire.

But won't you miss the benefits of amazon prime ?

I don't have Amazon Prime.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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“Planned obsolescence” implies that a device is made obsolete to force people to buy newer devices as opposed to other reasons. Just because a device becomes obsolete doesn’t mean it’s “planned obsolescence”, even with total control over the whole ecosystem. That’s at least how “planned obsolescence” is commonly used and defined. “Planned obsolescence” as a term implies a reason (forcing people to buy newer devices),…

So do you imply that the iOS6 features missing on the iPhone 3GS are missing for hardware reasons - or that intentionally leaving out features is not planned obsolescence? Whatever it is, I don't think Apple is maximizing hardware lifetime here. http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/new-features-in-ios-6-re... (I'm not complaining about the average lifetime of my Apple devices here, the iPad 1 and iPhone 3G were abysma…

You can debate about this forever. It's like reading tea leaves.

The real world consequence, however, is this: if you want to be able to update your device for as long as possible you should get an iOS device. I'm talking consequences, not so much intentions.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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That seems to be getting pretty far off into silly now, though. Your contention is that grandparents with iOS devices can download apps (and presumably view media) there, but not on Android, precisely because the "app store" is called "Play Store". Really? Is there any research at all that bears this out?

It's not silly. Even as a fairly serious tech guy, the first time I saw "play store" I thought "what the fuck is a play store?" (and, half an hour earlier, "where the fuck did the market go?"). Because I'm a tech guy I have the confidence to click random things and see what they do (plus I could put two and two together in this case), but I'm pretty sure my parents wouldn't; they'd just stay away from the strange ico…

Getting sillier by the hour, it seems. You're taking one usability problem (that the upgrade from "Market" to "Play Store" is non-obvious) and trying to use that to reason that once someone uses "Market" they will never be able to use "Play Store". Ridiculous. Among other things, how did they find "Market" in the first place? I don't see how that's any more or less obvious, frankly -- the words are synonyms, for goodness sake. People find videos in something called "iTunes" after all.

This fixes itself the instant someone asks "where do I get an app?". Please.

Is "Play" a bad product name? Sure. But you're attributing powers to it that it simply doesn't have.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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So do you imply that the iOS6 features missing on the iPhone 3GS are missing for hardware reasons - or that intentionally leaving out features is not planned obsolescence? Whatever it is, I don't think Apple is maximizing hardware lifetime here. http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/new-features-in-ios-6-re... (I'm not complaining about the average lifetime of my Apple devices here, the iPad 1 and iPhone 3G were abysma…

You can debate about this forever. It's like reading tea leaves. The real world consequence, however, is this: if you want to be able to update your device for as long as possible you should get an iOS device. I'm talking consequences, not so much intentions.

I agree with the consequence and buy accordingly. I don't have anything to add to your first posting, where you've stated how things factually work out.

But I haven't seen anyone argue that Apple's feature cut-off is hardware-bound. This is not reading tea leaves by a far margin. It's a business decision (like many) that goes against the interests of users. No harm in keeping that in mind.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Looks like even Google is afraid to directly take on the 800lb. gorilla that is the 10" iPad at the $500 price point. Xoom, Touchpad, Playbook(7") and countless others seem to have bit the dust trying. HTC and LG have even temporarily quit the tablet market to stem the bleeding. Wonder if ASUS is seeing volume on its Transformer line. Also, does anyone know how the Galaxy Tab is doing? Even Kindle Fire's sales are sl…

I don't think google can compete with the ipad. The ipad is priced competitively, and the question every similar tablet has to answer is why on earth would I pay as much for this as I would for an ipad? There doesn't appear to be any good answers. The android tablet manufacturers don't appear to able to compete on price with a similar hardware quality. edit: I meant compete directly. Obviously they can make something…

DF / allthingsd is relevant: essentially, there is no profit in the google nexus tablet and they're selling it at a loss. Thus my point is correct: Google can't compete with the iPad and instead they're going for decent but really cheap. Which is fine, but how long are they going to take a loss on the hardware? Also, this quote is money:

   "When it gets sold through the Play store, there’s no margin,” Rubin said. “I
   t just basically gets (sold) through.”
   However, it appears that the Nexus 7 is headed for retail shelves, as well,
   though only the plans for the Google Play store were announced on Wednesday.
   While that kind of cost structure could make life challenging for any other
   hardware makers looking to sell Android tablets, Rubin insists there is
   plenty of room left for Android tablet innovation.
That was the sound of Google's partners being dicked.

[1] http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/06/28/no-margin

[2] http://allthingsd.com/20120627/exclusive-googles-andy-rubin-...

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Because I like to be able to swap my batteries without paying 200 bucks and having my electronic device away (Send to apple to replace). Also, I'm don't like Apple as a company and am not a brandphile. Having a smart phone or tablet is enough for me, I don't need to flash around a brand name to feel important.

you are a brandophobe then, completely guided by a logo rather than the capabilities of the device. i own iPad 1, 2 and 3 devices (through my job) - never, ever did i need to replace the battery. it lasts very long, days, by then you have plugged it in somewhere. my customers are big on ipads for their mobile sales forces and none, NONE, report issues with the batteries. that's a sample size of 15k+ users, worldwide.

>you are a brandophobe then, completely guided by a logo rather than the capabilities of the device.

I don't like Apple as a company, but I'd buy their products if their capabilities matched my requirements. A changeable battery is my gamechanger. My ONLY major one (price is often an issue, but I agree that the quality of Apple products reasonably matches the price - if only a bit inflated).

And just because people don't complain to you about the battery usage doesn't mean there aren't issues - nor that they just don't blindly accept the limitations. Why would they report it to you anyway? Are you working for Apple tech support?

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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It's a Kindle Fire competitor. Without doubt. Having played with one at one of the IO Extended events today, and given the massive emphasis on the play store and video/audio/written content being made available Google are definitely making a play for Kindle territory here. Like you, I'm pretty ambivalent on the 7" format, but that isn't stopping people from buying Kindle Fires...

I'm a Kindle Fire and an iPad owner, and I love my Fire. It's large enough to read on comfortably, and about the weight of a similarly sized high quality book, meaning that it is light enough to handle for a long time without trouble. It carries by hand very easily, and just doesn't get in my way. The iPad (v3, btw), in contrast, is bulky and heavy to carry around and hold. The keyboard still isn't big enough to touc…

>The keyboard still isn't big enough to touch type on comfortably

The iPad virtual keyboard is the same size as the keyboards on all MacBooks. Size is not why you're unable to type fast on the iPad.

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