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Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by thelittleone »

OutOfHere wrote: post #37

Anthropic is a joke of a company. They have all these heavyweight hires, but they make logins so difficult for the user that no chat user in their sane mind would want to use Anthropic. It's as if Anthropic doesn't actually want people using their service. They routinely keep logging me out, also always making me wait for an email confirmation code just to login every time, and it's sickening. They also promise API c…

My experience has been opposite. I'm using the API. I hit usage tier limits so sent them a request to upgrade my tier. Heard back within an hour and upgraded to the highest tier. I had another request also which was answered same day.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by OutOfHere »

llamaimperative wrote: post #48
OutOfHere wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The chat on the website is not their main product Guess what: enterprises are made of people. People like to try things out. If people are not happy with something for their personal use, they most definitely are never going to recommend it to their employer. This is why OpenAI wins. It is in fact one of the factors that sets apart a hyper-successful product from a wannabe.

Literally every single person I know who’s building anything in AI (dozens of early stage founders) prefers Claude over GPT at this point. The AI emperor will not be the one who has the most consumers logging into product.com to use the chatbot. Compound this with OpenAI’s continuous shedding of, as far as I can tell, every credible researcher… I find your position quite hard to believe, even accounting for the hyste…

> Literally every single person I know who’s building anything in AI (dozens of early stage founders) prefers Claude over GPT

I don't believe this at all. I am not here to argue that Claude is a worse model, only that Anthropic is a worse company.

> The AI emperor will not be the one who has the most consumers logging into product.com

Your point only goes to show how much Anthropic hates its end users.

> OpenAI’s continuous shedding of, as far as I can tell, every credible researcher

OpenAI has zero trouble hiring great talent. As I see it, they lost a lot of dead weight that had no interest in bringing AI to the masses, but had an agenda of their own instead.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

#53

Post by jakubtomanik »

kombine wrote: post #36

Can anybody suggest a good open source (GUI or terminal-based) app for chatting with Claude Sonnet for those who have API keys? I use those for a neovim plugin to chat given the context of codebase, but I would also like an ability to have a regular chat like in the web interface?

LibreChat

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

#54

Post by MOARDONGZPLZ »

llamaimperative wrote: post #48
OutOfHere wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The chat on the website is not their main product Guess what: enterprises are made of people. People like to try things out. If people are not happy with something for their personal use, they most definitely are never going to recommend it to their employer. This is why OpenAI wins. It is in fact one of the factors that sets apart a hyper-successful product from a wannabe.

Literally every single person I know who’s building anything in AI (dozens of early stage founders) prefers Claude over GPT at this point. The AI emperor will not be the one who has the most consumers logging into product.com to use the chatbot. Compound this with OpenAI’s continuous shedding of, as far as I can tell, every credible researcher… I find your position quite hard to believe, even accounting for the hyste…

Shredding you say?

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by jakubtomanik »

jakubtomanik wrote: post #53
kombine wrote: post #36

Can anybody suggest a good open source (GUI or terminal-based) app for chatting with Claude Sonnet for those who have API keys? I use those for a neovim plugin to chat given the context of codebase, but I would also like an ability to have a regular chat like in the web interface?

LibreChat

https://www.librechat.ai/

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by thelittleone »

conshama wrote: post #8

Seems to me that the only difference between Anthropic and OpenAI is that Anthropic was for-profit from day one and OpenAI is from day yesterday. I pay for both, and pretty sure they will do everything they can to take as much money from me that they can get away with. This shouldnt be news.

The for profit from the start is true, but also, Sam's shenanigans really irks me as a customer, the slights of hand etc. I get the sense he would mislead the public on threats and risks of AI to benefit OpenAI and the government, to centralize and monopolize powerful models.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by llamaimperative »

OutOfHere wrote: post #52
llamaimperative wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally every single person I know who’s building anything in AI (dozens of early stage founders) prefers Claude over GPT at this point. The AI emperor will not be the one who has the most consumers logging into product.com to use the chatbot. Compound this with OpenAI’s continuous shedding of, as far as I can tell, every credible researcher… I find your position quite hard to believe, even accounting for the hyste…

> Literally every single person I know who’s building anything in AI (dozens of early stage founders) prefers Claude over GPT I don't believe this at all. I am not here to argue that Claude is a worse model, only that Anthropic is a worse company. > The AI emperor will not be the one who has the most consumers logging into product.com Your point only goes to show how much Anthropic hates its end users. > OpenAI’s con…

“Your point only goes…”

Huh? How so? Sorry not even clear what your complaint is… is it the Firefox (3% market share) login bug? The Claude chat experience has been superior for a while now, and Projects and Artifacts make it 100x so.

Good at hiring and bad at retaining is much worse than the reverse, especially for long-lived R&D projects.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by CaptainFever »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #35
Alupis wrote: post #3

> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

As I understand the main disagreement between OpenAI and Anthropic is exactly how much and what is censored.

I'm not sure as to what Anthropic means when they mean safety. I remember them doing good, non-censorship work in this field, but I also pay for ChatGPT instead of Claude because Claude is just so censored and boring.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by OutOfHere »

llamaimperative wrote: post #57
OutOfHere wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Literally every single person I know who’s building anything in AI (dozens of early stage founders) prefers Claude over GPT I don't believe this at all. I am not here to argue that Claude is a worse model, only that Anthropic is a worse company. > The AI emperor will not be the one who has the most consumers logging into product.com Your point only goes to show how much Anthropic hates its end users. > OpenAI’s con…

“Your point only goes…” Huh? How so? Sorry not even clear what your complaint is… is it the Firefox (3% market share) login bug? The Claude chat experience has been superior for a while now, and Projects and Artifacts make it 100x so. Good at hiring and bad at retaining is much worse than the reverse, especially for long-lived R&D projects.

> what your complaint is

It helps to read. It's noted in the original comment. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Firefox, as it manfiests only on the Anthropic website.

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