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Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Suicide is the extreme tip of the iceberg, and thankfully still rare. But the rest of the iceberg, comprising teens suffering mental health and body image issues - not to the point of suicide, but still serious - is staggering. Teens are self-medicating and sorting themselves into echo chambers that reinforce their negative feelings, entering an illness-to-identity pipeline, where they cannot see any other way of bei…

This may be an unpopular opinion but I believe the constant focus on what we call mental health and body image issues is making the problem worse. I know those words are supposed to alleviate stigma and normalize, but if you're telling kids going through regular adolescent issues that they have mental health or body image issues, you're not helping them. And naval gazing is going to make things worse. Maybe I'm a pro…

Despite claiming the opposite, teenagers are sponges for whatever floats in society around them. When most of the highly valued voices in society tell them that they should be sad and anxious and traumatized, is it really surprising that it's exactly what they turn out to be?

There's a reason the amount of self-described gay and lesbians has dropped massively in regions where it is no longer transgressive at all (but being trans is, so there's a massive increase there). It could be that homosexuality was actually just a mask for a trans identity, but that's odd because it would invalidate virtually everything that has been said in defense of tolerance of gays and lesbians.

Similarly, all this "mental health awareness" has done anything but normalize mental health issues. I'm sure this is well-intentioned however intentions don't count for much. The normalization of "minor" mental health issues has led to a situation where many more people start treatment with heavy side-effects to address issues that are often less serious than the side-effects of the treatment.

Worse, and here I'm thinking mostly about ADHD, what has been normalized is not the fact that some people have less attention than others. What has been normalized is to diagnose kids with ADHD and start medicating them. We have done the opposite of normalization here: it used to be that people with rowdy behavior were just expected to naturally grow out of it. That their education would take a little bit more time. They weren't considered broken or lesser or, crucially, abnormal or sick. In effect, we have turned slight deviations from the norm in terms of this one personality trait into a disease that must be treated. And because I can already read the comments: yes, some people legitimately have ADHD to such a degree that it interferes with their life and it makes sense to medicate. However, basically nobody starts taking ADHD medicine when they're already an adult, the decision is always made for them. And few parents, doctors and teachers will advise _against_ making an annoying child more docile unless they're acutely aware of the risks. And this tendency is further reinforced because the entire school system is run by people who have no idea what being a 4-to-18 years old boy is like and don't want to know.

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I believe the constant focus on what we call mental health and body image issues is making the problem worse. I know those words are supposed to alleviate stigma and normalize, but if you're telling kids going through regular adolescent issues that they have mental health or body image issues, you're not helping them. And naval gazing is going to make things worse. Maybe I'm a pro…

I think it is a tough balancing act. I am a product of the 90s also. I was severely depressed all through high school and probably could have been helped in some way. Instead I got nothing. Just suffered in silence and I didn't even know I was depressed. Any statistics from the 90s on mental health I wouldn't be counted in other than being a mentally healthy, happy, normal kid even though nothing could be further fro…

What would be the alternative if you were suffering the same fate today? So you think you would have been better off medicated? Or some kind of therapy?

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Short answer: yes. Long answer: yes. It's interesting to see people deny this over and over, as they bask in the cold glow of their phone's screens.

It's interesting to see people who are supposed to be intellectually biased, worldly and skeptical fall for propaganda and moral panic simply because their hatred of the modern web and popular culture blinds them to what should be obvious attempts to manipulate them as a pretext to regulate and control free speech and expression. Whenever you're presented with a narrative of breathless hyperbole and fear about "the c…

What does fearmongering have to do with it?

If we go by fearmongering, then the government and society at large would push to put a phone on each and every child starting from birth.

Your reply conveniently ignores the sharp uptick in suicidal ideation and attempts among teenagers, especially among ages 12-16… with girls the hardest hit.

Expectations for children are now to always be on-call to their peers 24/7 and for parents to always reach them every second of the day with gps tracking to boot.

Social media companies like meta have already been whistleblown as spending an insane amount of time and money using psychology to engineer their applications to be as addicting as possible.

Adults can barely restrain themselves, so why do we expect children to pass unharmed?!

You can sit behind your buzzwords and intellectual wrangling, but there is no denying that social media has a massive negative impact on children and there are ramifications that reach far later in life.

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Alone

Absolutely nobody has addressed the social crisis since the late 1990s. A problem which pre-existed social media can't be blamed on social media.

Journalists want to blame social media because of selfish reasons. The huge problem is that you can't discuss trying to fix the social crisis. It does seem social media will take the blame.

Social media is what's holding society together. Ban social media, expect violent revolution.

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I believe the constant focus on what we call mental health and body image issues is making the problem worse. I know those words are supposed to alleviate stigma and normalize, but if you're telling kids going through regular adolescent issues that they have mental health or body image issues, you're not helping them. And naval gazing is going to make things worse. Maybe I'm a pro…

Despite claiming the opposite, teenagers are sponges for whatever floats in society around them. When most of the highly valued voices in society tell them that they should be sad and anxious and traumatized, is it really surprising that it's exactly what they turn out to be? There's a reason the amount of self-described gay and lesbians has dropped massively in regions where it is no longer transgressive at all (but…

> There's a reason the amount of self-described gay and lesbians has dropped massively in regions

Statistics vary, but I can't see any evidence of this?

> It could be that homosexuality was actually just a mask for a trans identity, but that's odd because it would invalidate virtually everything that has been said in defense of tolerance of gays and lesbians.

What? None of this makes sense?

> However, basically nobody starts taking ADHD medicine when they're already an adult, the decision is always made for them.

This is not really true, adult ADHD diagnosis is on the rise.

https://www.nihr.ac.uk/about-us/news/significant-rise-adhd-d...

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Ever read, 'Lord of the flies', written ages ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies Now with social media we have all manner of bullying, both from the local peer group as well as any good/bad/perverted person who can type, ' yes, I am a 13 year old girl, just like you' Those who weather this are scarred by it, but those who do not are often crushed by it, badly scarred, even prompted to death. It woul…

Counterpoint: How much of these novels are imaginative paranoia driven by cynical consumers? The closest similar incident - the Tongan castaways (granted they were aged 13 - 19 instead of 6 - 12) had the boys create a more or less exemplary society. They worked in teams, hunted and fish, created instruments to sing songs - no where even close to what happened in the novel.

Yes, maturation brings more sentience. Young kids are often primal and greedy. Sentience starts in a few at about 5 and come to all by ~~10, but I recall a young thug who was pushed into high school at 18 by some rule that over 18 he could not remain. He was a greedy powerful semi-bully and was eventually institutionalised, his IQ was very low and he could not read and had only a few words, he must have been a severe problem among the kids he was placed with. This was in 1952-3, I think he would be better dealt with these days?

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Counterpoint: How much of these novels are imaginative paranoia driven by cynical consumers? The closest similar incident - the Tongan castaways (granted they were aged 13 - 19 instead of 6 - 12) had the boys create a more or less exemplary society. They worked in teams, hunted and fish, created instruments to sing songs - no where even close to what happened in the novel.

Having been on the receiving end of actual real-life bullying from 90% of my peers (the other 10% being bystanders) through high school because I was younger (among other things), I can tell you that Lord of the Flies is in some ways depicting the kids as less cruel than real kids are.

Yes, when I was in school each hall and each stair landing was attended by a teacher/monitor so gross physical bullying was limited. These days we have an unruly mob very under supervised. I am sure the frequent gun confrontations we see in the news are caused by bullying and the bullied resort to guns as the only way to get relief from the bullies!

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Counterpoint: How much of these novels are imaginative paranoia driven by cynical consumers? The closest similar incident - the Tongan castaways (granted they were aged 13 - 19 instead of 6 - 12) had the boys create a more or less exemplary society. They worked in teams, hunted and fish, created instruments to sing songs - no where even close to what happened in the novel.

The novel was a dark satire of other contemporary novels. In those, "civilized" white kids basically brought modernity to the natives after getting shipwrecked in what was essentially colonialist propaganda. So it's a bit like The Boys surviving in history and Marvel being lost from memory and people thinking that superheroes are violent psychopaths.

Yes, here in Canada, we had the 'Residential Schools scandal', the impetus was to educate aboriginal children up to 14 or 16 with de-facto prisons run by cadres of religious zealots, (in the male buildings) who often became predatory homosexuals with a captive student body. In the female buildings there was a huge amount of whipping. These kids were murdered and the bodies buried in significant numbers and when the truth was exposed litigation bankrupted almost all on Canadian soil. They went to a policy of small band schools for each reservation with indigenous educators for the most part with a core of Teacher's School graduates to administer. Seems to have worked. The populace left organised religion in droves, and most churches went broke and the land sold. In Quebec the entire structure almost collapsed and if were not for $$ from Rome - it would have. Seminaries attracted no students = no priests, they even air dropped priests from Haiti - this did not go well in rural Quebec. I long for the holy grail = all religion gone and forgotten

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Ever read, 'Lord of the flies', written ages ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies Now with social media we have all manner of bullying, both from the local peer group as well as any good/bad/perverted person who can type, ' yes, I am a 13 year old girl, just like you' Those who weather this are scarred by it, but those who do not are often crushed by it, badly scarred, even prompted to death. It woul…

That book is a fiction. We really really should stop using events in a work of fiction as arguments about real world.

So we should abandon Einstein's works? His 'Gedanken experiments'? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz11b5mkNGQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%27s_thought_experimen...

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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I always say: the most qualified people in the world are currently trying to get one more second or one more interaction out of you

> most qualified people Most qualified of the antisocial people

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