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Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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I also think about this regularly. I'm with the author regarding the metrics (time efficient, healthy, skill component). But still, I find strength training extremely boring and going to the gym annoying. I tried a few times but it never clicked for me – what am I missing? Does anyone have other ideas for incorporating exercise into my daily routine? I enjoy a bit of walking, cycling, and doing 5-10 minute mobility e…

> I find strength training extremely boring and going to the gym annoying.

FWIW during the pandemic I bought a set of PowerBlocks [1] and a reasonably cheap folding bench, and I've never gone back to the gym.

I also do Myo reps for all my lifts except for the compound leg lifts: they're a lot faster to get through. The result is that most of my workouts are half an hour or less, 5-6 times a week, with no travel time.

As far as boring -- for one, between having a kid and working from home, that's about the only time I have to listen to podcasts or audiobooks. For two, I find the focus of having to push really hard to go to failure for a set requires a focus something like meditation. And there are so many different kinds of exercises you can do, I never really lose interest.

[1] https://powerblock.com/

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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> I learned along the way that strength training is one of the best ways to improve your longevity, great for weight loss, improves mental capacity, improves sleep, reduces risk of several heart diseases, etc.

The one they missed is the benefits to bone strength.

Having larger and larger muscles constantly trying to snap your bones in half causes them to build up as well.

Absolutely life changing for the elderly.

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're doing strength training you'll be doing no more than 1 to 6 reps of whatever exercise in sets of 1 to 3. Large numbers of reps are for looking good, not actually being strong. This leads to the rather fun paradox that body builders are quite weak for how much effort they spend on training, while someone looking like a fat mechanic will be much strong than you'd expect.

large number of reps are for looking good ,, okay ill say yes!! but i never do exercise for good looking i dont concentrate on looks rather i just watch my stamina that how long i push.... btw i dont go to gym,, so i like home workout like pushups just i said before. that fat mechanic stronger but eventually get diseased when he/she crosses 30 or 40

Looks like and is are two rather different things.

You should probably talk to someone who knows what they are doing.

Chances are you're doing damage to your body.

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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post #46

Does anyone have a tip on how to start? I despise gyms, and would really love a tutorial to get an operation going in my garage. Maybe also an app recommendation?

You have two options

- do bodyweight fitness (https://reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness), this does not require equipment except a pullup bar and maybe some gymnastic rings

- do a linear progression barbell training program, like starting strength https://startingstrength.com/get-started/programs this is definitely easier in the gym because you need a rack, barbell, bench and weights. But if you want to buy it yourself, just make sure you get the "real" barbells, which weigh 20 kg and have rotating "sleeves" at the end which have 50 mm diameter. This is the standard size, the thinner ones are crap.

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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post #30

I also think about this regularly. I'm with the author regarding the metrics (time efficient, healthy, skill component). But still, I find strength training extremely boring and going to the gym annoying. I tried a few times but it never clicked for me – what am I missing? Does anyone have other ideas for incorporating exercise into my daily routine? I enjoy a bit of walking, cycling, and doing 5-10 minute mobility e…

what am I missing?

Nothing really, I think it's just a personality trait.

I have tried picking up pretty much every single form excercise the article mentions plus some more, and I just couldn't bring myself to keep on doing it. I even tried of really forcing myself and it made me feel more miserable. Now I essentially gave up and stopped trying to change myself in that area. Though I'm aware that it's not impossible that getting older might somehow put me mentally in a different state which doesn't make every repetitive excercise feel like an incredible chore.

Instead I just keep on doing what I like, but since I'm getting older I do in a slightly different way than I used to, to mimimize risk: excercise which requires technique, skill, creativity. Be it frisbee, skating, bmx, bouldering, ... A good session of those keeps my spirits up for several days. And it keeps the body in shape. But I do think twice before attempting things above my level, and usually just don't, and will back off in case something starts to feel wrong. Recovering from injuries takes waaay longer when you're 40+ than when you're 20 and it's just not worth it anymore for me. To be clear: sure, strength training has some skill to it, but let's be realistic here: it's not exactly in the same ballpark as what one needs for bouldering for instance.

Also nowadays bouldering is my main excercise and the thing is that unlike the OP I have a very good experience with it when it comes to health: I don't have pain, plus I have the impression that unlike typical strength training and basic yoga/pilates/... routines climbing at a somewhat decent level will make you use a ton of mostly upper body muscles you don't use otherwise (ok, you can do that with strength training but you're going to have to do quite a lot of different things to hit them all). And that seems to make the body more resilient against injuries. Anecdotal though.

Anyway, and now to the point: I'm convinced that as far as your body goes it's possible to make climbing akin to the mentioned 'boring tech' but without actually being boring. Do it long enough and become super aware about the moves, and there's no unknown failure mode.

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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> Even though in the early days you don't notice much physical difference People who do weight training always leave out the fact that you feel sore after a lift. Even the next day. This can feel like pain to the unaware and can be scary or off putting enough to become a deterrent to keep at it. It can leave you feeling weak, but often the soreness is surface level and in fact you are still stronger even with the sor…

>I recommend ramping up weight after you can do a full 3 sets of 10 reps at your current weight. This seems rather arbitrary as rep ranges will heavily depend on what type of exercises/routines a person is running. 3 sets of 10 reps doesn't really fit the bill for a strength training program. That is more of a "bodybuilding" routine focused on hypertrophy. "Strength" in weightlifting is measured by the one-rep max (1…

> "Strength" in weightlifting is measured by the one-rep max (1RM) [1] of a given movement. Most starting strength training programs recommend starting off with 5 reps. (For example, Starting Strength [2], Stronglifts 5x5 [3], or Wendler 5/3/1 [4] were common recommendations for beginner routines when I first started lifting).

This feels like too much information to the point it confuses me. You gave 2 (3?) different pieces of actionable advice.

I’ve always hated the 1 rep max mentality. Mostly saw it in high school with kids trying to out do each other, but it fails to promote strength.

I’m all for going slow. If 5 reps are better for you then great, do 5!

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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One of my hangups to start strength training at the ripe age of 41, is that I'm terrified of hurting myself.

Apparently to do "proper" strength training you need to focus on the free weights, or compound lifts, rather than gym machines that guide your movements. I.E. squats, deadlifts, bench presses, etc.

The problem is that these are EXACTLY the type of exercises that an untrained, anterior pelvic tilted computer long-time dweller will do wrongly as they don't have the right flexibility or skills or knowledge about how to do them right.

I remember how close I was to messing up my back permanently with deadlifts, and that was in my 20s. Thinking about going to the gym and starting doing them again unsupervised at my age is, to me, madness.

I really wish if someone could give me some advice in this matter...

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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It's pretty linear at first, especially like this person who has been doing it a few months. You should be able to add 2.5kg to your major lifts every week if you're recovering well, and that's recommended by the starting strength program. It definitely starts to become logarithmic after while though.

This is bad advice, because it’s ambiguous. > You should be able to add 2.5kg to your major lifts every week When you couple progression with a time frame but fail to address the time frame of the workouts it is more dangerous than helpful. This would be bad advice for anyone who only trains once a week or twice a month. > if you're recovering well I’ve been strength training for 20 years and even I’m unsure what thi…

If someone doesn't mention a detail, assume they meant "whatever is standard". All beginner strength training programs recommend 3x per week, do they not?

>> if you're recovering well

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> I’ve been strength training for 20 years and even I’m unsure what this means.

Recovery in strength training means eating, sleeping and resting worked muscles for at least a day (i.e., don't work the same muscle on consecutive days). I think it's safe to assume they meant "if you're eating and sleeping well, and resting muscles appropriately".

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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post #67

One of my hangups to start strength training at the ripe age of 41, is that I'm terrified of hurting myself. Apparently to do "proper" strength training you need to focus on the free weights, or compound lifts, rather than gym machines that guide your movements. I.E. squats, deadlifts, bench presses, etc. The problem is that these are EXACTLY the type of exercises that an untrained, anterior pelvic tilted computer lo…

Get a trainer.

Re: Why strength training? A programmer's perspective

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post #23

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most people who sit at the desk don't have hours at a time sitting all tensed up and in a bad position because stuff is not going well and they get hyperfocused on running the code again and again, not that that happens often - but sometimes.

Its worse, they have to sit there using the half arsed buggy software that some programmer shat out in order to get promoted to L5 in the 2021 summer of CV driven development and hasn't been updated or fixed since.

I've used half-assed buggy software before, I've worked for the government and cases had to be logged, also I've worked as a data entry worker - and of course I live in Denmark, one of the most digitized countries in the world, where the government gets away with making you use the solutions they had developed with awful UX that - really, one time I got fined 5000 dollars and had a company closed down because I thought what a program was telling me was an obvious bug - but it wasn't - when I complained to the workers and the ministry that required this solution be used they said "Oh yeah, everyone has that problem"

In short I have used just as buggy crappy software as anyone, and I'm a programmer who has been hyperfocused for a day in all sorts of uncomfortable positions, for bonus points I have also worked intense physical labor in jobs where people died, just in case someone was going to play the manual labor card.

I have as yet encountered nothing worse than programming when it is going very badly. When it's going easy it's a piece of cake of course.

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