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Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Ever read, 'Lord of the flies', written ages ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies Now with social media we have all manner of bullying, both from the local peer group as well as any good/bad/perverted person who can type, ' yes, I am a 13 year old girl, just like you' Those who weather this are scarred by it, but those who do not are often crushed by it, badly scarred, even prompted to death. It woul…

That book is a fiction. We really really should stop using events in a work of fiction as arguments about real world.

Have you read 1984? It's quite useful for discussing the state of the real world.

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Ever read, 'Lord of the flies', written ages ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies Now with social media we have all manner of bullying, both from the local peer group as well as any good/bad/perverted person who can type, ' yes, I am a 13 year old girl, just like you' Those who weather this are scarred by it, but those who do not are often crushed by it, badly scarred, even prompted to death. It woul…

That book is a fiction. We really really should stop using events in a work of fiction as arguments about real world.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss such comparisons. Fiction can be a great tool to explore very real truths.

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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No. In terms of pure Maslow, the tendency of modernity to destroy the transcendency of life, leaving the moral vacuum we see, is the central issue. Settle down; marry; enjoy parenthood; participate in a community of faith; ignore the haters and their ersatz noise.

What “moral vacuum” are you talking about? You sure you’re not upset by unfettered capitalism instead?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That book is a fiction. We really really should stop using events in a work of fiction as arguments about real world.

Have you read 1984? It's quite useful for discussing the state of the real world.

I'd also recommend Fahrenheit 451, it seems more in tune with the current social media and entertainment landscape.

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Ever read, 'Lord of the flies', written ages ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies Now with social media we have all manner of bullying, both from the local peer group as well as any good/bad/perverted person who can type, ' yes, I am a 13 year old girl, just like you' Those who weather this are scarred by it, but those who do not are often crushed by it, badly scarred, even prompted to death. It woul…

That book is a fiction. We really really should stop using events in a work of fiction as arguments about real world.

“Where’s your common sense? None of those books agree with each other. You’ve been locked up here for years with a regular damned Tower of Babel. Snap out of it! The people in those books never lived. Come on now!” - Captain Beatty (Fahrenheit 451)

Sometimes I too find the allure in this line of thinking, yet it seems dangerous somehow.

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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The answer seems to be yes, all the way through to a dose-dependent response [1]. I'm cautious to label people as evil. But Adam Mosseri working to addict younger and younger children to the dopamine hit of ad-driven social media challenges me on that restraint. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6278213/

I always say: the most qualified people in the world are currently trying to get one more second or one more interaction out of you

> most qualified people

Most qualified of the antisocial people

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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Suicide is the extreme tip of the iceberg, and thankfully still rare. But the rest of the iceberg, comprising teens suffering mental health and body image issues - not to the point of suicide, but still serious - is staggering. Teens are self-medicating and sorting themselves into echo chambers that reinforce their negative feelings, entering an illness-to-identity pipeline, where they cannot see any other way of being. Doctors are completely unequipped to deal with this. Parents are powerless.

Re: Has Social Media Fuelled a Teen-Suicide Crisis?

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It seems likely to me social media would play a role in this, but I'm going to push back a little because I'm also aware that social media has basically become the catch all when trying to explain any and complex social problem in the modern era.

I think we should remember that social media is basically used across the world today, but the rise in teen suicide seems to be particularly pronounced in the West – and rates of depression even more so.

I’m personally concerned with the number teens on depression medication today and how readily depression is diagnosed. I grew up before social media but I was a pretty depressed teen. I hung around with other fairly depressed teen. The depressed angsty teen thing has existed for a long time. It does seem to just be part of growing up for many. However when I was younger I didn’t know anyone on anti-depressants. If I grew up today it’s likely my whole friendship group would have been on them, including myself. And given this change in the rate of anti-depressant use, I’m fairly concerned we don’t yet fully understand how these medications affect younger people and might be contributing to suicide rates.

This quite controversial because people feel like I’m attacking medication many find useful, but I’ve personally seen myself how anti-depressants can make people feel more at ease with self harm and suicide. These medications don’t seem to necessarily make people happier, but more comfortable, and they seem to be good at numbing what used be a painful emotional experience allowing people to get on with their lives easier. Not always of course, and it depends on the medication, but this does seem to be true in a lot of cases.

I became concerned about this when kid in my family took anti-depressants at the age of 9 and shortly after started to self-harm and become increasingly violent. He was definitely less sad, but he was far more comfortable with hurting people and himself. When I spoke to him about what he was doing he seemed to struggle to even understand how much he was hurting people, and this was hard to understand given how sweet and caring he used to be.

I might be wrong, but I wish we were more focused on understanding whether the over diagnosis and medicalisation of depression in young people is fuelling suicide rates and mental illness, but I’m aware this is a very unpopular view since some people feel I’m attacking depressed people who feel the medication is helping. I’m not, but I do think we need to do more research to understand how these drugs can affect young people with developing brains and emotions. It seems to me it’s probably reasonable to assume artificially altering the brain chemistry of children with medication would have some consequences on their mental stability, and there is clinical evidence that some anti-depressants are linked to increased suicide rates and other metal illnesses, but I’m still not sure we have good long-term studies about how giving children these medications to children alters their development over time and might make them more likely to commit suicide in their early adulthood or late teenage years.

Hope this comment is received in good faith.

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