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Post by nolok »

preya2k wrote: post #61
nolok wrote: post #22

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As a self hosting afficionado, I feel like the perfect Google photo replacement doesn't exist yet. I have a synology nas and I use the synology photos app for auto uploading without loss of quality to my nas. Don't forget any picture or videos, deduplicate, figure out what you can safely delete from my phone,... All of that works great and is reliable. The synology photos app to watch your photos though, isn't very g…

You missed Ente ( https://ente.io )

They don't seem to allow self hosting at all

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by ezst »

kkfx wrote: post #206
ezst wrote: post #19

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> Honestly I do not favor this paradigm I think you are not alone, but I also wouldn't be surprised if this frog is boiled so slow that our opinion eventually becomes irrelevant: today's teenagers are *less* proficient on a keyboard than their elders, because they no longer "type" but "tap" instead. When the average exposure to computing is reduced to dumbed-down "consumption-only" devices running iOS/Android, and th…

I definitely follow you but noting a thing: the more we "advance" the more we implement again very old solutions, back for the pioneering Xerox PARC era, some random examples: - most UIs actually have switched from the "commercial menu" model to a "search&narrow" one, now are kind of very rudimentary CLIs; - from "commercial widget-based GUIs" back to some kind of DocUIs, today they are web, back than PostScript and…

> we actually rediscover classic solutions, at a certain point classic desktop computing will came back forcibly

You make it sound like evolution being circular is matter of fact/inevitable (and, to be fair, tech history proves you right in more than one occasions!), though I wouldn't discount the sheer power exerted of the tech monopolists of today: we don't have dumbed down pocket computers out of technical necessity, or because users "demand" that, or because new trends and implementation paradigms emerged: the dumbing down is purely a marketing strategy meant to extract more profit from users (by controlling the user experience through an "app store", where every app is not just "sold" but "installed").

This time around, I fear that we would have to break those monopolies, or have governments intervene and compel them to open-up their stores and OSes to get back to a fair and fertile ground for innovation.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by sneak »

tredre3 wrote: post #189
sneak wrote: post #177

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I cannot enter into the Apple Developer Program, or I would have released a lot of free builds of f/oss iOS apps already. Sadly Apple requires doxxing yourself to publish apps, which IMO is a human rights violation. You also need to provide a working phone number to be able to install even free apps on a phone or tablet you have already purchased. These policies stand directly in opposition to their stated value that…

If what the Möbius dev did is so easy and they are indeed freeloading, why doesn't anyone replicate it in the open? It's not because of the forced doxxing, syncthing has a foundation with a legal address and real people, using that info on the app store is a non-issue. It's not because of the $99 fee, syncthing has some cash flow. It's been 10 years already, so why?

You could also ask the question of Blink, a f/oss SSH client for iOS that charges money for IAPs.

It is trivial to remove the feature gating and republish. Yet no one has. Would Apple deny it as being too similar to an existing app? Who knows?

I can’t test any of these theories as I am not in the ADP. I even tried applying one time like a dozen years ago and was denied because I didn’t have a DUNS number.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by kkfx »

ezst wrote: post #242
kkfx wrote: post #206

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I definitely follow you but noting a thing: the more we "advance" the more we implement again very old solutions, back for the pioneering Xerox PARC era, some random examples: - most UIs actually have switched from the "commercial menu" model to a "search&narrow" one, now are kind of very rudimentary CLIs; - from "commercial widget-based GUIs" back to some kind of DocUIs, today they are web, back than PostScript and…

> we actually rediscover classic solutions, at a certain point classic desktop computing will came back forcibly You make it sound like evolution being circular is matter of fact/inevitable (and, to be fair, tech history proves you right in more than one occasions!), though I wouldn't discount the sheer power exerted of the tech monopolists of today: we don't have dumbed down pocket computers out of technical necessi…

Well, it's not "automagical" and sure, of course, but tend to happen regularly, of course not exactly as foresee by the pioneers, not without struggles, victims, sufferance in the meantime, but still happen in the end.

Giants now push ML stuff exactly because they foresee a certain evolution, as they push RTO for equal reasons, as anyone else they try to protect their profits and augment them. But as they do so all others who know try to do the same for themselves and "the masses" here and there even in ignorance "feel" smell rodents, and could change mindset once a new way appear in front of them.

We have had proprietary connectors for mobile recharging, now through regulation we have had microUSB and now USB-C, similarly GNU/Linux desktop popularity climb without any laws mandating it, they are small various steps who will likely led to a certain evolution. Monopolies and oligopolies will fall, others will form, in the end in all human history these things have happened and we have kept evolving even if going through long dark ages here and there. The sad part is that we have just a single life so, depending on the point in history we born we suffer more or less and potentially for the entire life...

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Post by jospoortvliet »

donmcronald wrote: post #190
thowawatp302 wrote: post #186

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Why did you do that when the instructions say not to?

I don't understand why this attitude is so prevalent in the tech industry. The person writing the upgrade script knows if upgrades can't support n+2 jumps and it takes about 30s to build in a check: if(target_version > current_version + 1) // not allowed It's more work to add it to the docs than it is to put a fail-fast check in the upgrade script, so why put it in the docs where 250k+ admins need to be aware of the…

This is, of course, exactly what Nextcloud does. It will most certainly refuse to run and break your system. And yes, it also refused that 3-4 years ago.

Not saying it never breaks anything, but since 2016 we for example check PHP versions and other infra to not update to a broken system. We rewrote the updater in 2016 for this purpose. It's possible this has had a bug at some point of course - but it is more likely that the original poster who had this issue had this in the ownCloud times before 2016.

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Post by jospoortvliet »

stavros wrote: post #211
rustcleaner wrote: post #208

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Not saying it's the case here, but I wonder how much deniably malicious incompetence out there gets covertly injected into projects by competitors.

That's a very interesting conspiracy theory, I assume the amount is nonzero.

It's risky business, though, as code of course gets reviewed a few times (at least at Nextcloud). If it gets detected once ppl are put on notice. If somebody can squirrel out that the code came from a competitor, a lawsuit is waiting... And just imagine the bad publicity it causes.

Besides that, it is unethical and I wouldn't want to work at a company that pulls such stunts. I think a lot of people wouldn't. It'd be hard to keep secret, too, I mean, 5 years later the employee that was asked to do it works somewhere else and BOOM.

So all together, I think it's extremely unlikely to happen.

I CAN imagine a disgruntled ex employee or angry employee at a competitor would pull something like this. We have seen employees at a competitor create social media sock puppet accounts to spread FUD about us - but management at the competitor put a stop to that once we notified them.

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Post by jospoortvliet »

eptcyka wrote: post #176
TheChaplain wrote: post #116

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I've run Nextcloud for almost 3 years now via docker on a vps , it hosts my contacts, calendars and files. There is a apache reverse proxy in front of it, and a postgresql-database in the back. Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images. Occasionally it whines about missing indices, but that is easily fixed using the occ command line tool. The clients real IP is forwarded by the proxy.…

What do you do to make performance not suck? Have been using it for years, but it just sucks in terms of showing me my pictures. Also, what do iOS people do to make their auto upload folders upload automatically without having to open the app?

The Memories app is a LOT faster than the built in Photos app. I use it myself and it's quite nice, very doable on my down clocked old Intel CPU.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by jospoortvliet »

GTP wrote: post #215
KronisLV wrote: post #210

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I had version 17 installed, I wanted to upgrade to version 20. I launched the container for the new version, but got an error: "Exception: Updates between multiple major versions and downgrades are unsupported." I then tried launching the container for version 18, which should be supported, which initially seemed to succeed! However, I was greeted by "Internal Server Error" in the web UI, since apparently instead of…

I remeber having some issues when I first attemped running a Nextcloud Docker container years ago. I don't know it it was because it was one of my first times with Docker or if it was Nextcloud that was screwing-up, but a native (non Docker) install solved all my problems. Was rock-solid ever since, up when I retired it recently due to unrelated reasons.

Maintaining a server can be a pita, and not upgrading frequently is both a security risk as well as problematic from a stability pov.

My recommendation would be to use our All-in-One docker image. It takes care of updates and is supremely easy to use, plus likely to bring nice performance benefits as it has all this stuff that makes it fast like the HPB for Files.

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Post by tomrod »

mynameyeff wrote: post #148

It is better to use several open-source projects that "do one thing well" instead of a single product that attempts to do everything well. If we can advance portable specs so different open source projects can interop... that would be better time spent.

Sort of. At some point, you need a platform that orchestrates all those "do one thing well" outputs. I'm using NextCloud for that -- too early to totally be satisfied, but nothing crazy going on yet! Waiting to see a few upgrades and backups to see how things go.

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Post by tionis »

smarx007 wrote: post #140
boramalper wrote: post #15

I started using Nextcloud first to have an alternative to big-tech in case Google locks me out of my account, and then it became my daily driver. It's fast, private, and has mature clients for all major desktop and mobile platforms. Together with OnlyOffice, it's a good-enough substitute for Google Docs Editors (the office suite) for non-collaborative editing. I love self-hosting but file storage is one thing that I…

How did you solve the fact that Hetzner's instances do not have Elasticsearch set up for full-text search?

I'm also having that problem right now, my solution so far is to host an elasticsearch server somewhere else (at home on an old laptop via a tuns.sh ssh tunnel)
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