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NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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> The one and only point listening to a discussion about anything is that at least one of the speakers is someone who has an opinion that you may find interesting or refutable. No. Maybe that's true for you , but people enjoy learning in different ways, and some people learn best by listening to a discussion.

Assuming you are one of them, I’m curious about one thing (honest question, not meant to disrespect): does it not bother you at all to know that those voices do not belong to any human being? When I listen to a semi-adolescent girl’s voice explaining something with a lot of “like”s and an informal tone, the fact that I know this was AI-generated makes me feel disgusted in my stomach (I am serious, this is not suppose…

Not the person you're responding to, but no, it doesn't really bother me at all. What does bother me is that I don't have confidence in the value of the output, where as if I listen to This American Life, or a podcast or audiobook from a trusted authority, I don't have to worry about that.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I think and hope that you're wrong. There's always been cheese, and there's a lot of it now. But there is still a market for top-notch insight. For example, Perun. This guy delivers an hourlong presentation on (mostly) the Ukraine-Russia war and its pure quality. Insights, humour, excellent delivery, from what seems to be a military-focused economist/analyst/consultant. We're a while away from some bot taking this ki…

Seriously, hardcore history? I dont even remember where I heard from him, but I think it was a Lex podcast. So I checked out hardcore history and was mightily disappointed. To my ears, he is rambling 3 hours about a topic, more or less unstructured and very long-winded, so that I basically remember nothing after having finished the podcast. I tried several times again, because I wanted it to be good. But no, not the…

I, too, found hardcore history a bit unstructured. If you like history, take a look at https://fallofcivilizationspodcast.com/.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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There's definitely not nothing of value here. This could be a useful new medium. I however hate the tone of the two hosts. It sounds like two pompous millennials talking about things they don't really understand.

Indeed, you nailed it. The ridiculous overuse of the word "like" is as nails on a chalkboard to me. It's bad enough hearing it from many people around me, the last thing I need is it to be part of "professional" broadcasting. I'm super impressed with this, but that one flaw is a really big flaw to me.

Out of interest, where do you live?

I’m wondering if people’s tolerance for “like” is affected by their geography.

I live in California (from the UK originally) so I honestly don’t even notice this any more.

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This seems to be a common trait of a lot of the more "aligned", "helpful" LLMs out there. You can drop any random excerpt from your diary into ChatGPT and it will tell you about how brilliant, sensitive, and witty you are. It's really quite sickening.

Well, an LLM doesn’t have the capability to like anything more than anything else. It doesn’t really matter to GPT if your diary excerpt is the worst piece of writing ever written, or the most brilliant - it’ll just tell you what you want to hear and that’s that.

Only because they've been RLHFed and prompted to be agreeable. A Marvin the Paranoid Android LLM could similarly be designed to hate everything equally.

Genuine People Personalities, indeed.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Inspired by this discussion, I had NotebookLM make three podcasts based on very minimal input: a one-line proverb, pi to 15 digits, and a short list of the most common words in English (“the of and to a in for is on that ...”). Here are the results: https://www.gally.net/temp/20240930notebooklmpodcasts/index....

The language one is quite insightful!

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I uploaded my detailed game design document for a project I've been working on in my free time and it was kind of a weird confidence boost. The two hosts seem to treat ideas like their the most insightful relevatory information they've ever heard. After a few uploads of other documents you start to notice the same overly surprised tone.

The prompt affects that a lot. If I input my writing and ask an LLM to “evaluate,” it will tell me how astute and intriguing my ideas are (often to the point of hyperbole). If I ask instead for it to “critique” me, I’ll get a much less complimentary response about the same content.

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Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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... insane catastrophizing." Nice unique phrase. Guessing you're not a LLM. ;^) The thing that is being offered is of no interested to me, as are almost any AI generated content. I'm a human, and am interested in what humans do and say and think. AI content offends my sensibilities at every level. I dismiss it without even thinking twice. So all those people who do podcast, music, art, whatever, with AI, well, you lo…

That's fine. To say you don't like something is fine. To say something holds no value is a stronger claim.

I'd go even further than "hold no value" and say it's actively detrimental on both the individual and society. We already have an avalanche of dehumanizing technology that isolates and placates us. We see the results of this with problems in mental health and socialization. This is a downward spiral as AI content will likely appeal to those who lack social skills as they don't have to cope with tricky vagaries of other humans - which is part of which makes us human and gives us social growth.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I think and hope that you're wrong. There's always been cheese, and there's a lot of it now. But there is still a market for top-notch insight. For example, Perun. This guy delivers an hourlong presentation on (mostly) the Ukraine-Russia war and its pure quality. Insights, humour, excellent delivery, from what seems to be a military-focused economist/analyst/consultant. We're a while away from some bot taking this ki…

I keep seeing this asertion: "the robots will get there" (or its ilk), and it's starting to feel really weird to me. It's an article of faith -- we don't KNOW that they're going to get there. They're going to get better, almost certainly, but how much? How much gas is left in the tank for this technique? Honestly, I think the fact that every new "groundbreaking" news release about LLMs has come alongside a swath of d…

LLM’s are not the last incarnation. I assume that all the money, research and human ingenuity will eventually find better architectures.

I’m not sure we really want that, but I am pretty sure we’ll try for it.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I really enjoy these. I’ve listened to them while driving —- blog posts by Astral Codex Ten or Paul Graham that I had never bothered to read.

There are millions of real podcasts, but now there are an infinite number of AI generated ones. They are definitely not as good as a well-made human one, but they are pretty darn decent, quite listenable and informative.

Time is not fungible. I can listen to podcasts while walking or driving when I couldn’t be reading anything.

Here’s one I made about the Aschenbrenner 165-page PDF about AGI: https://youtu.be/6UmPoMBEDpA

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