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Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by defrost »

082349872349872 wrote: post #240
rightbyte wrote: post #203

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> But I've also been more willing to share life experiences with barbers, and listen to their experiences than any other profession. Not sure why. It is like going out for a smoke on a party to talk with some prospect partner. Having an excuse to talk other than talking makes it easier. You are not flirting. You are smoking.

I hadn't understood the social power of smoke breaks until my welding instructor admitted he had been convinced for the first week or two of class that I was a tweaker because, given a bunch of rods to weld, I'd disappear into a booth and not come out again until I'd welded them all[0], no matter how many smoke breaks the other students had taken in the meantime. It's a pity that when we realised the cancer sticks[1]…

Smoko¹ is serious business².

¹ /watch?v=j58V2vC9EPc ² /watch?v=P_dza9y6cg0

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by PedroBatista »

pjc50 wrote: post #233
kragen wrote: post #127

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i mean, you could totally solve a problem yourself and not write it up. i did that lots of times too! it'll be interesting to see what happens with llms and things like stack exchange

LLMs kill stackexchange and all of the wonderful gift economy, because they replace humans in the loop with uncanny humanoids with whom it is impossible by their nature to have a real connection. I think the next generation of popular counterculture service is going to be one which goes to extreme lengths to verify that the participants are authentic humans.

So Blade Runner is a documentary of the future?

Starting in the Internet first then IRL.

I joke but this is already has been happening for many years: email verification, captcha, pics with a customized message.. just like “AI” was present in 90s digital cameras.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by ribasushi »

TZubiri wrote: post #174
sethammons wrote: post #154

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I fear you missed something in the don't talk to cops speech. https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=fhqbLEK3jypnK-k0 Human nature may be to help. It is always a risk to talk to officers. If you are being obstinate, prepare for someone with an authority complex to sit on you. Be also ready for that same person to sit on you for no reason and twist anything you say into a problem. Just don't give them ammo against you.

Biggest thing I missed is that I don't live in the US. Even if I lived in the US, and the times I visited, I'm still disregarding most of the recommendations. It feels more like these people are making political statements of what should be and recruiting me and other viewers to help move towards that ideal. Especially they want regular citizens to do this shit so that everyone has plausible deniability. The issue is…

"First they came for…" by Niemöller wants a word with you.

By not doing your social duty of providing plausible deniability wherever possible, you are recklessly endangering your future self, and everyone else you care or not care about.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #130
lukan wrote: post #106

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"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

I'm old and fortunate enough to have gotten on the Internet in 1993, when it was smaller, more communal, and less commercial. As much as we old-timers lament the direction things have gone, there are still corners of the Internet where people still help each other, where people seek to share their knowledge freely, and help other humans, even strangers, without regard to artificial reputational or commercial gain. Yo…

>You just have to seek them out.

been looking for a while. But my hobbies are either too niche or these groups aren't in the public eye to begin with. I guess that's the other issue: more of these remaining bastions are retreating off the indexable web at best to minimize spam management and at worst to avoid having all their data scraped without consent.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by 082349872349872 »

defrost wrote: post #241
082349872349872 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't understood the social power of smoke breaks until my welding instructor admitted he had been convinced for the first week or two of class that I was a tweaker because, given a bunch of rods to weld, I'd disappear into a booth and not come out again until I'd welded them all[0], no matter how many smoke breaks the other students had taken in the meantime. It's a pity that when we realised the cancer sticks[1]…

Smoko ¹ is serious business². ¹ /watch?v=j58V2vC9EPc ² /watch?v=P_dza9y6cg0

Is your pulmo worried? Would you like us to assign someone to worry your pulmo?

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by blooalien »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #130
lukan wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

I'm old and fortunate enough to have gotten on the Internet in 1993, when it was smaller, more communal, and less commercial. As much as we old-timers lament the direction things have gone, there are still corners of the Internet where people still help each other, where people seek to share their knowledge freely, and help other humans, even strangers, without regard to artificial reputational or commercial gain. Yo…

Much of the (true) "open source" movement / community is still all about that mentality / spirit. Much of the "hacker" / Maker crowd, too. So much of what made the early Internet great still lives on in later generations who keep that spirit alive and continue to share it with others.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by johnnyanmac »

kragen wrote: post #127
orcim wrote: post #121

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Many have definitely been motivated by the wish to share information. But there also wasn't much of an alternative. If you wanted to actively learn something, get someone else to use it, or get them to share what they knew, you almost had to interact with others. Which doesn't mean there wasn't a genuine want to help others. But it was also wanting what you shared to become better. Something that was a direct consequ…

i mean, you could totally solve a problem yourself and not write it up. i did that lots of times too! it'll be interesting to see what happens with llms and things like stack exchange

>i mean, you could totally solve a problem yourself and not write it up. i did that lots of times too!

sure. that's how we shifted to a hustle culture. launch something useful, get fanbase, and then think of writing it up for marketing purposes.

but obviously the dynamic here isn't necessarily a community of like minded people sharing info. But more of a semi-captive audience interested in seeing more of the product.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by curiousguy »

Great post. I was also raised by the internet.

I have loving parents, but grew up poor in a developing country, surrounded by people that only care about football and soap opera.

If it wasn’t the internet and forums like slashdot or Hackers News, I would probably fall to conformity and the nerd in me would had died out.

Instead, my computer hobby became a really profitable job and now I’m living in a first world country and working on some really interesting things.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by ryandv »

lifter3101 wrote: post #199
pushupentry1219 wrote: post #119

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post. When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience. My point here is not related to this lo…

I’m pretty sure the author of the post would have had a similar trajectory had he been growing up now. People who are innately curious and self motivated will always find a Linux networking tutorial. Even if it comes in a form of a TikTok video and not a bunch of burned CDs.

There is an upper bound to the amount of information that can be easily conveyed through a TikTok video, and given the platform's focus on short-form content, it is not very high; likely, it is much, much lower than a book or manual or other form of written documentation.

The media we use today constrain the density and quality of information they can convey, and not in a positive fashion.

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