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Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by manuelmoreale »

IshKebab wrote: post #204
manuelmoreale wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Cambridge dictionary: > Rescue: to help someone or something out of a dangerous, harmful, or unpleasant situation. These are professional, paid astronaut. They both have decades of experience and both have experience being up in space. If I were to bet they’re probably happy to spend more time on the ISS because I doubt they have many more missions left to do in their careers. They’re in no danger. There’s n…

Of course there is danger. They're in space! Even when things are going to plan it's dangerous.

If that is your reasoning then they might as well “rescue” all the other astronaut on board the ISS and shut the entire thing down.

You’re not rescuing someone from a danger that was already there and part of the mission. Them being “stuck” for a few more months doesn’t make them “in danger”

If they weren’t up there now two different astronauts would be up instead of them. And it would be part of a regular mission. Those would not need to be “rescued”

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Post by perihelions »

There was an anomaly in the second stage deorbit burn (which did not impact the payload). Falcon is apparently grounded.

https://www.space.com/spacex-pause-launches-crew-9-falcon-9-... ("SpaceX pausing launches to study Falcon 9 issue on Crew-9 astronaut mission")

- "After today’s successful launch of Crew-9, Falcon 9's second stage was disposed in the ocean as planned, but experienced an off-nominal deorbit burn. As a result, the second stage safely landed in the ocean, but outside of the targeted area. We will resume launching after we better understand root cause"

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Post by [deleted] »

dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

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Post by brianshaler »

mannyv wrote: post #56
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

Well hmm. NASA decided Starliner wasn't safe enough to use for the return journey, so the astronauts stayed on the ISS until the next ride became available. Originally the astronauts were supposed to go back on Starliner. Now they're taking another ride back. Is that considered a rescue? Well, it depends. If you get left behind on an island because your ride wasn't safe and another boat picks you up, is that a rescue…

> If there wasn't another ride from the ISS available, would the astronauts be stranded? Yes.

Seems like the answer to this would be no. Starliner's risk was elevated, not guaranteed to fail. The presence of a flight-proven option was the limiting factor.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #231
IshKebab wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there is danger. They're in space! Even when things are going to plan it's dangerous.

If that is your reasoning then they might as well “rescue” all the other astronaut on board the ISS and shut the entire thing down. You’re not rescuing someone from a danger that was already there and part of the mission. Them being “stuck” for a few more months doesn’t make them “in danger” If they weren’t up there now two different astronauts would be up instead of them. And it would be part of a regular mission. T…

They were in danger because the Crew-8 escape plan exposed them to elevated risk on descent without proper seating or suits that could be connected to the capsule. A loss of pressure would kill them.

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Post by mc32 »

bnralt wrote: post #156
iterance wrote: post #73

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Following the analogy... you're on an island. A ferry has showed up at the island every six months or so for the last 40 years. The last ferry that showed up broke before it could leave the harbor. No need to worry, though. Another ferry's coming in six months and there are plenty of supplies on the island. Is it rescue? Maybe in the sense that you can't leave when you wanted to and now you have to wait. But not in t…

Maybe this is better: Cruise line A and cruise line B drop their passengers off at a remote island for 5 days, and then come to pick them up and take them home. After cruise line B drops theirs off, the cruise ships breaks down, and the passengers can't be picked up after 5 days, so they're stuck on the island with no immediate way to get off. Cruise line A says "OK, the next cruise ship we send will be at half capac…

The main reason people don’t want to call it a rescue is because they dislike Musk. If there were no politics involved people wouldn’t be handwringing themselves so much over the word rescue.

If the spaceship that took you somewhere wasn’t able to get you back as planned and cannot get you back as planned and someone else has to go get those people, that’s a rescue.

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Post by throwaway290 »

mc32 wrote: post #236
bnralt wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is better: Cruise line A and cruise line B drop their passengers off at a remote island for 5 days, and then come to pick them up and take them home. After cruise line B drops theirs off, the cruise ships breaks down, and the passengers can't be picked up after 5 days, so they're stuck on the island with no immediate way to get off. Cruise line A says "OK, the next cruise ship we send will be at half capac…

The main reason people don’t want to call it a rescue is because they dislike Musk. If there were no politics involved people wouldn’t be handwringing themselves so much over the word rescue. If the spaceship that took you somewhere wasn’t able to get you back as planned and cannot get you back as planned and someone else has to go get those people, that’s a rescue.

> If the spaceship that took you somewhere wasn’t able to get you back as planned and cannot get you back as planned and someone else has to go get those people, that’s a rescue.

If you were on cruise then yes, if you are a professional team who trained for years to stay in dangerous conditions and the only thing out of ordinary is delayed transport back then not. If politics were not involved no one would call it a rescue.

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Post by lupusreal »

dotnet00 wrote: post #147
skissane wrote: post #139

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NASA still gives Roscosmos money, in exchange for Roscosmos doing ISS-related stuff for NASA. NASA has a contract with Roscosmos for "joint spaceflight activities" which does not expire until the end of this year. I don't know if it can be extended past this year or not, but since the contract dates to 1993, I suspect they will continue to extend it year-by-year until the ISS program is terminated. https://www.usaspe…

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Why are you still making up bullshit? NASA isn't cooperating with Russia because their hands are tied by prewar contracts. They're cooperating with Russia because it's a mutually beneficial arrangement which was extended in 2023 after Russia's war began.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/russia-us-agree-add...

August 25, 2023

> Aug 25 (Reuters) - Russian and U.S. space authorities have agreed an additional flight for an American astronaut on board Russia's Soyuz MS spacecraft, Interfax news agency said on Friday, in a rare sign of bilateral cooperation at a time of high tension over Ukraine.

You have the same internet I do, you should be able to find this information yourself. Stop being a dumbass, unsubscribe from your reddit or wherever it is that's influencing you to think you can know things by bullshitting instead of researching.

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Post by lupusreal »

AdamN wrote: post #171
charles_f wrote: post #111

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Calling it rescue or not doesn't matter. The primary objective was test flight for Starliner. Mission is a success, in that it proved Starliner is not safe. Now they're coming down using Dragon, which is the very expensive backup plan, and which is absolutely not what was planned. Whether you want to call it a rescue or not and play semantics or metaphors all night is your absolute right, but it doesn't change the fa…

When I was a kid a lifeguard helped me out in rough waves in the Atlantic. I was doing ok but not great and probably should have gone in earlier. I asked if he had rescued me because I wasn't really sure what was going on ... he said he had given me an 'assist'. It probably is the right word here too.

The lifeguard spared you the word rescue because he didn't want to hurt the feelings of a child. Are we now extending the same courtesy to corporations? Corporations like Boeing no less, with hundreds of negligent homicides under their belt?

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Post by lupusreal »

Natsu wrote: post #62
joe_the_user wrote: post #43

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"It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications..." Rescue definition: an act of saving or being saved from danger or distress . The mission to take astronauts off the space station clearly fits this definition - an extended, unplanned and indefinite stay in space has to be distressing at the least. Has the HN standard become that you can argue the most ridiculous thing if you make…

I can sorta see why some would quibble over "rescue", because it's not like they're in immediate danger, but at the same time they're stranded because their ride malfunctioned and left them somewhere rather inhospitable. And I think "normal and expected crew rotation" as someone put it undersells the fact that while there isn't a special trip for them only, they had to bump other people off the flight just to get the…

> I can sorta see why some would quibble over "rescue", because it's not like they're in immediate danger, but at the same time they're stranded because their ride malfunctioned and left them somewhere rather inhospitable

In any other context this wouldn't be quibbled. If my car broke down a mile outside town and my friend gave me a lift the rest of the way, I would say he rescued me and nobody would quibble it.

The only reason it's being quibbled is because people have a stick up their ass about Elon Musk personally and that stick extends to the way they feel about SpaceX.

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