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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by handoflixue »

rocho wrote: post #940
cubefox wrote: post #305

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No, because we have seen massive improvements in AI over the last years, and all the evidence points to this progress continuing at a fast pace.

But that does not prove anything. We don't know where we are on the AI-power scale currently. "Superintelligence", whatever that means, could be 1 year or 1000 years away at our current progress, and we wouldn't know until we reach it.

50 years ago we could rather confidently say that "Superintelligence" was absolutely not happening next year, and was realistically decades ago. If we can say "it could be next year", then things have changed radically and we're clearly a lot closer - even if we still don't know how far we have to go.

A thousand years ago we hadn't invented electricity, democracy, or science. I really don't think we're a thousand years away from AI. If intelligence is really that hard to build, I'd take it as proof that someone else must have created us humans.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by fragmede »

lmm wrote: post #885
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I love how people are like "there's no use case" and there's already products on shelves. I see AI art everywhere, AI writing, customer support - already happened. You guys are naysaying something that already happened people already replaced jobs with LLMs and already profit due to AI. There are already startups with users where you provide a OPENAI_API_KEY, or customers where you provide theirs. If you can't see ho…

> I see AI art everywhere, AI writing, customer support - already happened. Is any of it adding value though? I can see that AI has made it easier to do SEO spam and make an excuse for your lack of customer support, just like IVR systems before it. But I don't believe those added any real value (they may have generated profits for their makers, but I think that was a zero- or negative-sum trade). Put it this way: is…

> But I don't believe those added any real value (they may have generated profits for their makers, but I think that was a zero- or negative-sum trade).

Okay, so some people are making money with it, but no true value was added, eh?

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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by agubelu »

rldjbpin wrote: post #896
Animats wrote: post #666

I'm tired of LLMs. Enough billions of dollars have been spent on LLMs that a reasonably good picture of what they can and can't do has emerged. They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. That last limits their usefulness. They can't safely be in charge of anything important. If someone doesn't soon figure out how to get a confidence me…

LLMs are to AI what BTC is to blockchain, let me explain. blockchain and no-trust decentralization has so much promise, but grifters all go for what got done first and can be squeezed money out of. same is happening with LLMs, as a lot of current AI work started with text first. they might still lowkey be necessary evils because without them there would not have been so much money or attention flowing in this way.

> blockchain and no-trust decentralization has so much promise

I've been hearing this for the past 5 years, yet nothing of practical use based on blockchains has materialized yet.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by nuc1e0n »

I tried to learn AI frameworks. I really did. But I just don't care about them. AI as it is today just isn't useful to me. Databases and search engines are reliable. The output of AI models is totally unreliable.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Jommi »

agubelu wrote: post #955
rldjbpin wrote: post #896

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LLMs are to AI what BTC is to blockchain, let me explain. blockchain and no-trust decentralization has so much promise, but grifters all go for what got done first and can be squeezed money out of. same is happening with LLMs, as a lot of current AI work started with text first. they might still lowkey be necessary evils because without them there would not have been so much money or attention flowing in this way.

> blockchain and no-trust decentralization has so much promise I've been hearing this for the past 5 years, yet nothing of practical use based on blockchains has materialized yet.

you dont think an open finance network that's accessible for anyone with an internet connection is useful?

your westernness is showing

go ask SA or Africa how useful it is that they arent restricted by insane dictatorial capital controls anymore

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by leptons »

skinnymuch wrote: post #942
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Soviet Union didn't do so much business with the U.S., they are a country of thugs that think violence is the only way to get their way. China is very different. Their economy is very much dependent on trade with the U.S. and they know that trying to have "world domination" would also crash their economy completely. China would much rather engage in economic warfare than military.

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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by __loam »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #936
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Funnily enough, bitcoin mining still uses at least about 3x more power that AI at the moment, while providing less value imo. AI power use is also dwarfed by other industries even in computing. We should still consider whether it's worth it, but most research and development on LLMs in corporate right now seems to be focused on making them more efficient, and therefore both cheaper and less power intensive, to run. T…

How do you measure the value of bitcoin, if not by its market cap? Do you interview everyone and ask them how much they're willing to pay for a service that allows them to transfer money digitally without institutional oversight/bureaucracy?

The amount of power being used to support a system that can do 5 transactions a second is disgusting.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by lmm »

fragmede wrote: post #953
lmm wrote: post #885

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> I see AI art everywhere, AI writing, customer support - already happened. Is any of it adding value though? I can see that AI has made it easier to do SEO spam and make an excuse for your lack of customer support, just like IVR systems before it. But I don't believe those added any real value (they may have generated profits for their makers, but I think that was a zero- or negative-sum trade). Put it this way: is…

> But I don't believe those added any real value (they may have generated profits for their makers, but I think that was a zero- or negative-sum trade). Okay, so some people are making money with it, but no true value was added, eh?

Do new scams create value? No, even though they make money for some people. The same with speculative ventures that don't pan out. You can only say something's added value when it's been positive sum overall, not just allowed some people to take a profit at the expense of others.
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