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SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by a1445c8b »

eth0up wrote: post #13
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

I guess I'm a victim of this reporting to some extent, because I remember this situation going on for months, and I keep thinking every time it's mentioned (often) how terrible it must be for these astronauts and why something isn't done about it. But I know almost nothing regarding details. I know I despise Boeing and that I admire astronauts and that reading this headline, I thought 'its about fucking time!' But if…

“Normal” and “common” would still be the last words on my mind considering the amount of planning and money that goes into sending people to space and back. The only normal situation would be they go there and then back alive on the same mission as originally planned. Any divergence from that is totally abnormal.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by chasd00 »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #12

> By the time they return, the pair will have logged more than eight months in space. They expected to be gone just a week when they signed up for Boeing’s first astronaut flight that launched in June. What kind of overtime do you think they are clocking?

Heh I’d hate to be their families too. Sometimes I travel for work, if a week turned into 8 months it would be mayhem.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by a1445c8b »

fhdsgbbcaA wrote: post #20
elintknower wrote: post #2

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Obama bailed out Tesla, and if that hadn’t happened Elon would have been cooked. https://www.wired.com/2009/06/tesla-loan/ Biden is writing huge checks to SpaceX. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/pentagon-... Elon sucks at the teat of government and cozies up to the guy who thinks windmills cause cancer and is vehemently anti-EV. Boeing is another issue, but Elon is nothing without Uncle Sam.

You’re missing a few factors:

1. The US would’ve been paying Russia about 10x the cost if SpaceX didn’t exist.

2. Boeing was awarded a ~$3B contract within the Artemis mission and, so far, the outcome is that they can’t safely bring back the astronauts they sent to space.

Those two factors alone indicate that it’s more a mutually beneficial relationship between SpaceX and the government with, arguably, SpaceX providing more benefit relative to the government.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by throwaway4aday »

huijzer wrote: post #18
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

I read somewhere someone who compared news to the presenters at a horse race. If you just look, it might be a boring uneventful race. But if you listen to the presenters, it’s very exciting. “Now horse A is in front!!! Oh wait. Horse B takes the lead!! Wait. Horse A is coming back.” For example, EV taxes in Europe “There are rumors on EV taxes!! Wait some guy says there will be no extra taxes!! Oh wait. Rumors for 40…

Unfortunately, they've taken to doing things like saying Horse C is in the lead when it's actually Horse B and telling everyone Horse A has gone lame when it's clearly neck in neck with Horse B while pretending that Horse D doesn't exist because they don't like the jockey.

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Post by throwaway4aday »

fhdsgbbcaA wrote: post #20
elintknower wrote: post #2

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Obama bailed out Tesla, and if that hadn’t happened Elon would have been cooked. https://www.wired.com/2009/06/tesla-loan/ Biden is writing huge checks to SpaceX. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/pentagon-... Elon sucks at the teat of government and cozies up to the guy who thinks windmills cause cancer and is vehemently anti-EV. Boeing is another issue, but Elon is nothing without Uncle Sam.

You're pretty good at writing clickbait headlines yourself. Those huge checks are a DoD contract for unblockable internet coms not some handout and for $20 million a month it sounds like Elon is giving them a deal, at least compared to what Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman get every year. They don't just suck the teat, they eat half of it.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by nordsieck »

neverrroot wrote: post #17
electriclove wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX is pretty much America’s space program at this point - absolutely incredible!

Kinda is, and it’s all Elon’s fault.

> Kinda is, and it’s all Elon’s fault.

Not sure what you mean by that. Are you suggesting that Elon/SpaceX sabotaged Boeing Starliner program? Because it seems pretty obvious that Boeing did that all on their own.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by walterbell »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #24
huijzer wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read somewhere someone who compared news to the presenters at a horse race. If you just look, it might be a boring uneventful race. But if you listen to the presenters, it’s very exciting. “Now horse A is in front!!! Oh wait. Horse B takes the lead!! Wait. Horse A is coming back.” For example, EV taxes in Europe “There are rumors on EV taxes!! Wait some guy says there will be no extra taxes!! Oh wait. Rumors for 40…

Unfortunately, they've taken to doing things like saying Horse C is in the lead when it's actually Horse B and telling everyone Horse A has gone lame when it's clearly neck in neck with Horse B while pretending that Horse D doesn't exist because they don't like the jockey.

Community Notes template for multiple contexts.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by addaon »

eth0up wrote: post #13
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

I guess I'm a victim of this reporting to some extent, because I remember this situation going on for months, and I keep thinking every time it's mentioned (often) how terrible it must be for these astronauts and why something isn't done about it. But I know almost nothing regarding details. I know I despise Boeing and that I admire astronauts and that reading this headline, I thought 'its about fucking time!' But if…

> Is the situation normal, or common?

They went up on an experimental spacecraft on its shakedown cruise. They’re coming down on a different spacecraft than planned — a different make of spacecraft, even. That’s never happened before, and is neither normal nor common. The spacecraft type they flew up will almost certainly never fly again because of how badly the shakedown went. That’s never happened before to a manned design to my knowledge — certainly not normal or common.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by Loughla »

huijzer wrote: post #18
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

I read somewhere someone who compared news to the presenters at a horse race. If you just look, it might be a boring uneventful race. But if you listen to the presenters, it’s very exciting. “Now horse A is in front!!! Oh wait. Horse B takes the lead!! Wait. Horse A is coming back.” For example, EV taxes in Europe “There are rumors on EV taxes!! Wait some guy says there will be no extra taxes!! Oh wait. Rumors for 40…

I am absolutely convinced that the 24 hour news cycle is the problem in society at large, at least in the US. Everything else draws from that.

Social media, full of bullshit to drive eyes to constant news feed. Political divide literally caused by the 24 hour cycle.

It needs to end.

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