I Am Tired of AI • Hacker News Board

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by twelve40 » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 3:25 PM UTC

kobenni wrote: post #881

throw987987123 wrote: post #826

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It feels ironic if the only thing that the current wave of Ai enables (other than novelty cases) is a cutdown of software/coding jobs. I don't see it replacing math professionals too soon for a variety of reasons. From an outsiders perspective on the software industry it is like it's practioners voted to make themselves redundant - that seems to be the main takeaway of ai to normal non tech people ive chatted with. M…

It may seem this way from an outsiders perspective, but I think the intersection between people who work on the development of state-of-the-art LLMs and people who get replaced is practically zero. Nobody is making themselves redundant, just some people make others redundant (assuming LLMs are even good enough for that, not that I know if they are) for their own gain.

many tech people are making themselves redundant, so far mostly not because LLMs are putting them out of jobs, but because everyone decided to jump on the same bandwagon. When yet another AI YC startup surveys their peers about the most pressing AI-related problem to solve, it screams "we have no idea what to do, just want to ride this hype wave somehow"

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by bschmidt3 » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 4:11 PM UTC

lmm wrote: post #885

bschmidt1 wrote: post #793

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I love how people are like "there's no use case" and there's already products on shelves. I see AI art everywhere, AI writing, customer support - already happened. You guys are naysaying something that already happened people already replaced jobs with LLMs and already profit due to AI. There are already startups with users where you provide a OPENAI_API_KEY, or customers where you provide theirs. If you can't see ho…

> I see AI art everywhere, AI writing, customer support - already happened. Is any of it adding value though? I can see that AI has made it easier to do SEO spam and make an excuse for your lack of customer support, just like IVR systems before it. But I don't believe those added any real value (they may have generated profits for their makers, but I think that was a zero- or negative-sum trade). Put it this way: is…

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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by cudgy » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #779

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #478

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Google didn't change it, it embodied it. The problem isn't AI, it's the pervasive culture of PR and advertising which appeared in the 50s and eventually consumed its host. Western industrial culture was based on substance - getting real shit done. There was always a lot of scammery around it, but the bedrock goal was to make physical things happen - build things, invent things, deliver things, innovate. PR and ad cul…

Just yesterday I watched a video blaming China for "oversupplying" electric cars at low prices and how that was hurting car manufacturers elsewhere e.g Germany. These manufacturers were trying to secretly lobby for tariffs to be placed on Chinese cars, while publicly denying this because THEIR largest and growing market was China. They had some "expert" talk about how China is known to oversupply and is doing this to…

> All of these experts were preaching the virtues of Western free-trade to the east when they were the ones exporting TO Asia 10 years ago

10 years ago? Try 40-50 years ago.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Nemi » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 4:34 PM UTC

gizmo wrote: post #33

AI writing is pretty bad, AI code is pretty bad, AI art is pretty bad. We all know this. But it's easy to forget how many new opportunities open up when something becomes 100x or 10000x cheaper. Things that are 10x worse but 100x cheaper are still extremely valuable. It's the relentless drive to making things cheaper, even at the expense of quality, that has made our high quality of life possible. You can make houses…

The thing is, right now it is artificially cheaper. It is being heavily subsidized by all providers in a race to capture market share. It simply cannot stay this cheap forever at current costs.

Now, if costs change then we have a new story. But that is not guaranteed.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by salawat » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 4:36 PM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #830

latexr wrote: post #769

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> I agree 100% with this sentiment, but, it also is a decent description of individual humans. But you can understand individual humans and learn which are trustworthy for what. If I want a specific piece of information, I have people in my life that I know I can consult to get an answer that will most likely be correct and that person will be able to give me an accurate assessment of their certainty and they know ho…

Actually humans are much worse in this regard. The top performer on my team had a divorce and his productivity dropped by like a factor of 3 and quality fell of a cliff. Another example from just yesterday is I needed to solve a complex recurrence relation. A friend of mine who is good at math (math PhD) helped me for about 30 minutes still without a solution and a couple of false starts. Then he said try ChatGPT and…

>Actually humans are much worse in this regard. The top performer on my team had a divorce and his productivity dropped by like a factor of 3 and quality fell of a cliff.

Wow. Nice of you to see a coworker go through a traumatic life event, and the best you can drudge up is to bitch about lost productivity and decrease in selfless output of quality to someone else's benefit when they are at the time trying to stitch their life back together.

SMH. Goddamn.

Hope your recurrence relation was low bloody stakes. If you spent only two minutes verifying something coming out of a bullshit machine, I'd hazard you didn't do much in the way of boundary condition verification.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by sbochins » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 4:43 PM UTC

DanHulton wrote: post #215

koliber wrote: post #45

I am approaching AI with caution. Shiny things don't generally excite me. Just this week I installed cursor, the AI-assisted VSCode-like IDE. I am working on a side project and decided to give it a try. I am blown away. I can describe the feature I want built, and it generates changes and additions that get me 90% there, within 15 or so seconds. I take those changes, and carefully review them, as if I was doing a cod…

I sincerely worry about a future when most people act in this same manner. You have - for now - sufficient experience and understanding to be able to review the AI's code and decide if it was doing what you wanted it to. But what about when you've spent months just blindly accepting" what the AI tells you? Are you going to be familiar enough with the project anymore to catch its little mistakes? Or worse, what about…

This seems a little silly to me. It was already possible for a script kiddie to kludge together something they didn’t understand —- copying code snippets from stack overflow, etc. And yet, developers continue to write finely crafted code that they understand at depth. Just because we’ve made this process easier for the script kiddies, doesn’t prevent experts from existing and the market from realizing these experts are necessary to a well run software business.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 4:51 PM UTC

low_tech_love wrote: post #883

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #563

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> If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply cannot keep up with the competition. You're out. Only if you're competing on volume.

Who isn’t? Can you rely on your readers to rebel against AI and value more your writing than that of your peers? If one of your competitors write 10 articles while you write 1, and charge 10% of what you charge, they already equaled your wins. Raise it to 20% and they are already making twice what you make. Can you really trust that your writing is so good and so incredibly special that someone would be willing to pa…

The curation is part of the value.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by lozzo » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 5:13 PM UTC

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #912

datahack wrote: post #894

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It’s probably generally irrelevant what they can do today, or what you’ve seen so far. This is conceptually essentially Moore’s law, but about every 5.5 months. That’s the only thing that matters at this stage. I watched everyone make the same arguments about the general Internet, and then the Web, then mobile, then Bitcoin. It’s just a toy. It’s not that useful. Is this supposed to be the revolution? It uses too muc…

>> Looking at early telegraphs doesn’t predict the iPhone, etc. The problem with this line of argument is that LLMs are not new technology, rather they are the latest evolution of statistical language modelling, a technology that we've had at least since Shannon's time [1]. We are way, way past the telegraph era, and well into the age of large telephony switches handling millions of calls a second. Does that mean we'…

thumbs up for this comment. As for me, I am tired of people talking about AI starting their argument with incorrect information

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by DirkH » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 5:34 PM UTC

beepbooptheory wrote: post #424

cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

At any given moment we see these kinds comments on here. They all read like a burgeoning form of messianism: something is to come, and it will be terrible/glorious. Behind either the fear or the hope, is necessarily some utter faith that a certain kind of future will happen. And I think thats the most interesting thing. Because here is the thing, in this particular case you are afraid something inhuman will take cont…

This is a nice sentiment and I'm sure some people will get more nights of good sleep thinking about it, but it has its limits. If you're enslaved and treated horrendously or don't have your basic needs met who cares?

To quote George RR Martin: "In a heartbeat, a thousand voices took up the chant. King Joffrey and King Robb and King Stannis were forgotten, and King Bread ruled alone. 'Bread.' They clamputed. 'Bread, bread!' "

Replace Joffrey, Robb and Stannis with whatever lofty philosophical ideas you might have to make people feel better about their disempowerment. They won't care.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by DirkH » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 5:45 PM UTC

cubefox wrote: post #791

havefunbesafe wrote: post #741

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Ironically, this feels like a comment written by AI

That's not ironic, it's embarrassing that you can't tell the difference.

I don't believe people who claim they can always tell the difference.

I believe they believe their claims . I think they are mistaken about the empirical side of things if they were actually put to an objective test.

Take an expert prompter and the best LLM for the job and someone who believes they can always tell if something is written by AI and I'm >50% sure they will fail a blind test most of the time after you repeat the test enough.