I Am Tired of AI • Hacker News Board

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by nils-m-holm » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 8:44 AM UTC

lurking_swe wrote: post #732

nils-m-holm wrote: post #150

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> It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply cannot keep up with the competition. I am writing regularly and I will never use AI. In fact I am working on a 400+ pages book right now and it does not contain a…

do you see any benefits to using AI to check your book for typos, grammatical issues, or even just general “feedback” prior to publishing? Seems like there are uses for AI other than “please write it all for me”, no?

I use a spell checker to catch typos. Occasional quirky grammar is mine. Feedback will be provided by the audience. Why would I let a statistical model judge my work? This is how you kill originality.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by throw987987123 » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 8:53 AM UTC

_w1tm wrote: post #886

throw987987123 wrote: post #826

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It feels ironic if the only thing that the current wave of Ai enables (other than novelty cases) is a cutdown of software/coding jobs. I don't see it replacing math professionals too soon for a variety of reasons. From an outsiders perspective on the software industry it is like it's practioners voted to make themselves redundant - that seems to be the main takeaway of ai to normal non tech people ive chatted with. M…

> If all it does is allow us to churn more high level software, which let's be honest is demand inelastic due to mostly large margins on software products (i.e. they would of paid a person anyway due to ROI) it doesn't seem it will add much to society other than shifting profit in tech from Labor to Capital/owners. If creating software becomes cheaper then that means I can transform all the ideas I’ve had into softwa…

With abundance comes diminishing relative value in the product. In the end that skill and product would be seen as worth less by the market. The value of doing those ideas would drop long term to the point where it still isn't worth doing most of them, at least not for profit.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by schleck8 » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 9:06 AM UTC

Animats wrote: post #706

bloppe wrote: post #687

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They have been improving a lot, but that improvement is already plateauing and all the fundamental problems have not disappeared. AI needs another architectural breakthrough to keep up the pace of advancement.

Yes. Anything on the horizon?

OpenAI's Orion (GPT 5/Next) is partially trained on synthetic data generated with a large version of o1. Which means if that works the data scarcity issue is more or less solved.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by datahack » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 9:57 AM UTC

Animats wrote: post #666

I'm tired of LLMs. Enough billions of dollars have been spent on LLMs that a reasonably good picture of what they can and can't do has emerged. They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. That last limits their usefulness. They can't safely be in charge of anything important. If someone doesn't soon figure out how to get a confidence me…

It’s probably generally irrelevant what they can do today, or what you’ve seen so far.

This is conceptually essentially Moore’s law, but about every 5.5 months. That’s the only thing that matters at this stage.

I watched everyone make the same arguments about the general Internet, and then the Web, then mobile, then Bitcoin. It’s just a toy. It’s not that useful. Is this supposed to be the revolution? It uses too much power. It won’t scale. The technology is a dead end.

The general pattern of improvement to technology has been radically to the upside at an increasing pace parabolically for decades and there’s nothing indicating that this is a break in the pattern. In fact it’s setting up to be an order of magnitude greater impact than the Internet was. At a minimum, I don’t expect it to be smaller.

Looking at early telegraphs doesn’t predict the iPhone, etc.

Optimism is warranted here until it isn’t.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by jaakl » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 10:22 AM UTC

It seems Claude (3.5 Sonnet) provided the longest summary for this discussion using basic single shot prompt for me:

After reviewing the Hacker News thread, here are some of the main repeating patterns I observed:

* Fatigue and frustration with AI hype: Many commenters expressed being tired of the constant AI hype and its application to every domain. * Concerns about AI-generated content quality: There were recurring worries about AI producing low-quality, generic, or "soulless" content across various fields. * Debate over AI's impact on jobs and creativity: Some argued AI would displace workers, while others felt it was just another tool that wouldn't replace human creativity and expertise. * Skepticism about AI capabilities: Several commenters felt the current AI systems were overhyped and not as capable as claimed. * Copyright and ethical concerns: Many raised issues about AI training on copyrighted material without permission or compensation. * Polarized views on AI's future impact: There was a split between those excited about AI's potential and those worried about its negative effects. * Comparisons to previous tech hypes: Some likened the AI boom to past technology bubbles like cryptocurrency or blockchain. * Debate over regulation: Discussion on whether and how AI should be regulated. * Concerns about AI's environmental impact: Mentions of AI's large carbon footprint. * Meta-discussion about HN itself: Comments about how the discourse on HN has changed over time, particularly regarding AI. * Capitalism critique: Some framed issues with AI as symptoms of larger problems with capitalism. * Calls for embracing vs rejecting AI: A divide between those advocating for adopting AI tools and those preferring to avoid them.

These patterns reflect a community grappling with the rapid advancement and widespread adoption of AI technologies, showcasing a range of perspectives from enthusiasm to deep skepticism.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by rldjbpin » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 11:02 AM UTC

Animats wrote: post #666

I'm tired of LLMs. Enough billions of dollars have been spent on LLMs that a reasonably good picture of what they can and can't do has emerged. They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. That last limits their usefulness. They can't safely be in charge of anything important. If someone doesn't soon figure out how to get a confidence me…

LLMs are to AI what BTC is to blockchain, let me explain.

blockchain and no-trust decentralization has so much promise, but grifters all go for what got done first and can be squeezed money out of. same is happening with LLMs, as a lot of current AI work started with text first.

they might still lowkey be necessary evils because without them there would not have been so much money or attention flowing in this way.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Hercuros » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 11:16 AM UTC

cubefox wrote: post #305

neta1337 wrote: post #273

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>But superhuman AI seems now only few years away Seems unreasonable. You are afraid because marketing gurus like Altman made you believe that a frog that can make bigger leap than before will be able to fly.

No, because we have seen massive improvements in AI over the last years, and all the evidence points to this progress continuing at a fast pace.

I think the biggest fallacy in this type of thinking is that it projects all AI progress into a single quantity of “intelligence” and then proceeds to extrapolate that singular quantity into some imagined absurd level of “superintelligence”.

In reality, AI progress and capabilities are not so reducible to singular quantities. For example, it’s not clear that we will ever get rid of the model’s tendencies to just produce garbage or nonsense sometimes. It’s entirely possible that we remain stuck at more incremental improvements now, and I think the bogeyman of “superintelligence” needs to be much more clearly defined rather than by extrapolation of some imagined quantity. Or maybe we reach a somewhat human-like level, but not this imagined “extra” level of superintelligence.

Basically the argument is something to the effect of “big will become bigger and bigger, and then it will become like SUPER big and destroy us all”.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by vouaobrasil » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 11:17 AM UTC

low_tech_love wrote: post #877

vouaobrasil wrote: post #281

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> If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply cannot keep up with the competition. Wrong. I am a professional writer and I never use AI. I hate AI.

Do you feel any pressure from your environment? Like seeing other authors publishing at a much faster pace than you?

Well, at the business that I work for, I convinced everyone to have an anti-AI 100% free policy, although that wasn't too hard because no one there was ever enthusiastic about AI. Plus, we don't publish generic SEO stuff but real gear testing, real experience, so AI goes against that.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by 9dev » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 11:28 AM UTC

highspeedbus wrote: post #845

9dev wrote: post #717

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If that AI is worth more than a dime, it will recognise how incredibly efficient humans are in physical labor, and employ them instead of ”doing away“ with it (whatever that’s even supposed to mean.) No matter how much you ”solve“ robotics, you’re not going to compete with the result of millions of years of brutal natural selection, the incredible layering of synergies in organisms, the efficiency of the biomass to e…

Your argument goes like "If they're really intelligent, they'll think like me." For a true superhuman AI, what you or me think is irrelevant and probably wrong. Cars are still faster than humans, besides evolution.

That is a repetition of the argument other commenters have made. A car is better than a human in a single dimension. It is hard, though, to be better in multiple dimensions simultaneously, because humans effectively are highly optimised general purpose machines. Silicon devices have a hard time competing with biological devices, and no amount of ”AI“ will change that.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by jiggawatts » Sat, Sep 28, 2024, 11:31 AM UTC

datahack wrote: post #894

Animats wrote: post #666

I'm tired of LLMs. Enough billions of dollars have been spent on LLMs that a reasonably good picture of what they can and can't do has emerged. They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. That last limits their usefulness. They can't safely be in charge of anything important. If someone doesn't soon figure out how to get a confidence me…

It’s probably generally irrelevant what they can do today, or what you’ve seen so far. This is conceptually essentially Moore’s law, but about every 5.5 months. That’s the only thing that matters at this stage. I watched everyone make the same arguments about the general Internet, and then the Web, then mobile, then Bitcoin. It’s just a toy. It’s not that useful. Is this supposed to be the revolution? It uses too muc…

Speaking of the iPhone, I just ugpraded to the 16 Pro because I want to try out the new Apple Intelligence features.

As soon as I saw integrated voice+text LLM demos, my first thought was that this was precisely the technology needed to make assistants like Siri not total garbage.

Sure, Apple's version 1.0 will have a lot of rough edges, but they'll be smoothed out.

In a few versions it'll be like something out of Star Trek.

"Computer, schedule an appointment with my Doctor. No, not that one, the other one... yeah... for the foot thing. Any time tomorrow. Oh thanks, I forgot about that, make that for 2pm."

Try that with Siri now.

In a few years, this will be how you talk to your phone.

Or... maybe next month. We're about to find out.