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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by anon7725 »

bschmidt1 wrote: post #819
anon7725 wrote: post #813

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a difference between “being useful” and living up to galactic-scale hype.

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You’re certainly able to sus out everything about my worldview, knowledge level and intentions from my one-sentence comment.

The only thing that LLMs are at risk of subverting is the livelihood of millions of people. AI is a capital intensifier, so the rich will get richer as it sees more uptake.

About copyright - yeah, I’m quite concerned for my friends who are writers and artists.

> You'll get left behind with these takes, it's not smart. If you don't care about advancing technology or society then have fun being a luddite, but you're on the wrong side of history.

FWIW I work in applied research on LLMs.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by highspeedbus »

cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

I don't particularly believe superhuman AI will be achieved in the next 50 years.

What I really believe is that we'll get crazier. A step further than our status quo. Slop content makes my brain fry already. Our society will become more insane and useless, while an even smaller percent of the elite will keep studying, sleeping well and avoiding all this social media and AI psychosis.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by nopinsight »

9dev wrote: post #717
cubefox wrote: post #412

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Advanced AI will solve robotics as well, and do away with human physical labor.

If that AI is worth more than a dime, it will recognise how incredibly efficient humans are in physical labor, and employ them instead of ”doing away“ with it (whatever that’s even supposed to mean.) No matter how much you ”solve“ robotics, you’re not going to compete with the result of millions of years of brutal natural selection, the incredible layering of synergies in organisms, the efficiency of the biomass to e…

The efficiency you mentioned probably applies to animals that rely on subsistence to survive, work, and reproduce. But it doesn't hold for modern humans, whose needs go well beyond mere necessities.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by spitfire »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #786
jajko wrote: post #676

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I'll keep buying (and paying premium) for dumber things. Cars are a prime example, I want it to be dumb as fuck, offline, letting me decide what to do. At least next 2 decades, and thats achievable. After that I couldnt care less, I'll probably be a bad driver at that point anyway so switch may make sense. I want dumb beautiful mechanival wristwatch. I am not ocd-riddled insecure man trying to subconsiously immitate…

What dumb cars are you looking at?

1963 Jaguar E-Type

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by highspeedbus »

9dev wrote: post #717
cubefox wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advanced AI will solve robotics as well, and do away with human physical labor.

If that AI is worth more than a dime, it will recognise how incredibly efficient humans are in physical labor, and employ them instead of ”doing away“ with it (whatever that’s even supposed to mean.) No matter how much you ”solve“ robotics, you’re not going to compete with the result of millions of years of brutal natural selection, the incredible layering of synergies in organisms, the efficiency of the biomass to e…

Your argument goes like "If they're really intelligent, they'll think like me."

For a true superhuman AI, what you or me think is irrelevant and probably wrong.

Cars are still faster than humans, besides evolution.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by lukev »

bschmidt1 wrote: post #819
anon7725 wrote: post #813

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a difference between “being useful” and living up to galactic-scale hype.

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The utility of LLMs clearly exists (I'm building a product on this premise, so I'm not uninterested!)

But hype also exists. How closely they are matched is not yet clear.

But your comment seems to indicate that the "pro-tech" position is automatically the best. This is _not_ true, as cryptocurrency has already demonstrated.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by bamboozled »

highspeedbus wrote: post #842
cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

I don't particularly believe superhuman AI will be achieved in the next 50 years. What I really believe is that we'll get crazier. A step further than our status quo. Slop content makes my brain fry already. Our society will become more insane and useless, while an even smaller percent of the elite will keep studying, sleeping well and avoiding all this social media and AI psychosis.

The social media thing is real. Trump and Vance are the strangest, vial politicians we’ve ever seen in the USA and in certain their oxygen is social media. Whether it’s foreign interference helping them be successful or not, they wouldn’t survive without socials and filter bubbles and the ability to spread lies on an unprecedented scale.

I deleted my instagram a month ago. It was just feeding images of beautiful women, personally enjoy looking at those photos but it was super distracting to my life. I found it a distracting and unhealthy.

Anyway I logged in the other day after a month off it and I couldn’t believe I spent anytime on there at all. What a cesspool of insanity. Add well the fake AI images and it’s just hard to believe the thing exists at all.

Elon musk is another story, I’m not sure if it was drugs an underlying psychological or Twitter addiction but he seems like another “victim of social media”.the guy has lost it.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by kranuck »

coryfklein wrote: post #617
StrLght wrote: post #357

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Extrapolation of past progress isn't evidence.

Do you expect the hockeystick graph of technological development since the industrial evolution to slow? Or that it will proceed, only without significant advances in AI? Seems like the base case here is for the exponential growth to continue, and you'd need a convincing argument to say otherwise.

That's no guarantee that AI continues advancing at the same pace, and no one has been arguing against overall technological progress slowing

Refining technology is easier than the original breakthrough, but it doesn't usually lead to a great leap forward.

LLMs were the result of breakthroughs, but refining them isn't guaranteed to lead to AGI. It's not guaranteed (or likely) to improve at an exponential rate.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by testval123 »

snickerer wrote: post #88
anonzzzies wrote: post #53

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When it's for sale everywhere (I cannot buy one) and people trust it, all cab drivers will be gone. Unemployed will depend on the resilience, but unlike cars replacing coach drivers, there is not really a similar thing a cab driver can pivot to.

Yes, we can imagine a future where all cab drivers are unemployed, replaced by autonomous driving. However, we don't know when this will happen, because autonomous driving is a much harder problem than the hype from a few years ago suggested. There isn't even proof that autonomous driving will ever be able to fully replace human drivers.

Have you taken a Waymo recently? I would take it over a human driver much of the time.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by kranuck »

cubefox wrote: post #689
lawn wrote: post #643

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The evidence I've been seeing is that progress with LLMs have already slowed down and that they're nowhere near good enough to replace programmers. They can be useful tools ro be sure, but it seems more and more clear that they will not reach AGI.

They are already above average human level on many tasks, like math benchmarks.

If you ignore the part where there proofs are meandering drivel, sure.
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