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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by einpoklum »

cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

> automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough.

That wasn't even true in the past; or at least, may true in theory but not in practice. A subsistence farmer in a rural area in Asia or Africa finds the martket flooded with cheap agri-products from mechanized farms in industrialized countries. Is anybody offering to finance his family and send him off to trade school? And build a commercial and industrial infrastructure for him to have a job? Very often the answer is no. And that's just one example (Though rather common over the past century).

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by famahar »

nasaeclipse wrote: post #752

At some point, I wonder if we will go more analog again. How do we know if a book was written by a human? Simple, he used a typewriter or wrote it by hand! Photos? Real film. Video.... real film again lol. I think that may actually happen at some point.

I'm already starting to embrace it. Content overload through subscription platforms makes it hard for me to choose. My phone being an everything machine always distracts me l. I'm also tired of algorithmic recommendations. I bought a cassette player and find a lot of joy discovering music at record shops and browsing around bandcamp for some cassettes in genres I like.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by mulmen »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

> The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die.

Today is September 11349, 1993

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by lmm »

a99c43f2d565504 wrote: post #213
elnasca2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

Perhaps "trust" was a bit misplaced here, but I think we can all agree on the idea: Before LLMs, there was intelligence behind text, and now there's not. The I in LLM stands for intelligence, as written in one blog. Maybe the text never was true, but at least it made sense given some agenda. And like pointed out by others, the usual text style and vocabulary signs that could have been used to identify expertise or ag…

> Perhaps "trust" was a bit misplaced here, but I think we can all agree on the idea: Before LLMs, there was intelligence behind text, and now there's not. The I in LLM stands for intelligence, as written in one blog. Maybe the text never was true, but at least it made sense given some agenda.

Nope. A lot of people just wrote stuff. There were always plenty of word salad blogs (and arguably entire philosophy journals) out there.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by lmm »

layer8 wrote: post #251
onion2k wrote: post #132

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The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. What AI is going to teach people is that they don't actually need to trust half as many things as they thought they did, but that they do need to verify what's left. This has always been the case. We've just been deferring to 'truster organizations' a lot…

How can you verify most of anything if you can’t trust any writing (or photographs, audio, and video, for that matter)?

Get good at spotting inconsistencies. And pay attention to when something contradicts your own experience. Cultivate a wide range of experiences so that you have more domains where you can do this (this is a good idea anyway).

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Post by poslathian »

sanj wrote: post #698
westoncb wrote: post #641

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I actually do think this is a legitimate concern, but at the same time I feel like when higher-level languages were introduced people likely experienced a similar dilemma: you just let the compiler generate the code for you without actually knowing what you're running on the CPU? Definitely something to tread carefully with, but it's also likely an inevitable aspect of progressing software development capabilities.

A compiler is deterministic. An LLM is not.

Place and routing compilers used in semiconductor design are not. Ironically, simulated annealing is the typical mechanism and is by any appropriate definition, imo, a type of AI.

Whatever you do in your life using devices that run software are proof that these tools are effective for continuing to scale complexity. Annoying to use also ;)

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by anon7725 »

COAGULOPATH wrote: post #737
spencerchubb wrote: post #682

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LLMs have been improving exponentially for a few years. let's at least wait until exponential improvements slow down to make a judgement about their potential

In some domains (math and code), progress is still very fast. In others it has slowed or arguably stopped. We see little progress in "soft" skills like creative writing. EQBench is a benchmark that tests LLM ability to write stories, narratives, and poems. The winning models are mostly tiny Gemma finetunes with single-digit parameter counts. Huge foundation models with hundreds of billions of parameters (Claude 3 Opu…

> Tiny models are unpersuasive, as expected. But once a model is large enough to generate coherent sentences, persuasiveness kinda...stops.

People are persuaded to change their opinions based on social proof, so this isn’t surprising.

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Post by throwaway98797 »

SllX wrote: post #635
matwood wrote: post #385

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> We can no longer assume that a book is legit simply because it looks legit. The problem is that this has been an issue for a long time. My first interactions with the internet in the 90s came along with the warning "don't automatically trust what you read on the internet". I was speaking to a librarian the other day who teaches incoming freshman how to use LLMs. What was shocking to me is that the librarian said a…

> The problem is that this has been an issue for a long time. My first interactions with the internet in the 90s came along with the warning "don't automatically trust what you read on the internet". I received the same warnings, actually it was more like “don’t trust everything you read on the internet”, but it quickly became apparent that the last three words were redundant, and could have been rephrased more accur…

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #472
StrLght wrote: post #357

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Extrapolation of past progress isn't evidence.

You don't have to extrapolate. There's a frenzy of talent being applied to this problem, it's drawing more brainpower the more progress that is made. Young people see this as one of the most interesting, prestigious, and best-paying fields to work in. A lot of these researchers are really talented, and are doing more than just scaling up. They're pushing at the frontiers in every direction, and finding methods that w…

Amount of effort applied to a problem does not equal guarantee of problem being solved. If a frenzy of talent was applied to breaking the speed of light barrier it would still never get broken.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by th3byrdm4n »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

Honestly, I've developers saying the same thing about IDEs and high level languages.

This new generation of tools add efficiency the same way IntelliJ added efficiency on top of Eclipse which added efficiency on top of Emacs/VI/Notepad/etc.

The more time that someone can focus on the systemsit takes certain types of high-time, [not domain problem specific] skill processes and obfuscated it away so the developer can focus on the most critical aspects of the software.

Yes, sometimes generators do the wrong thing, but it's usually obvious/quick to correct.

Cost of occasional correction is much less than the time to scaffold every punchcard.

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