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Re: Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday

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As I see it, I think the distinction between consequences and externalities is that externalities are applied to cost and pricing, but not concepts. Wikipedia doesn't go too deep into when externality analysis is appropriate or useful, but hints at this in the following sentence to the one you quoted. >Externalities can be considered as unpriced components that are involved in either consumer or producer market trans…

> the transaction price of "centralized currency adoption" is not a priced object Of course it is. Joining a currency union carries costs. Broadly speaking, you're correct: the term has ambiguous meaning. My point is that isn't something new, but an element that has always been with the term.

I think that still runs afoul of the "uninvolved 3rd party" part of the definition.

Two actors can both generate value from a transaction due to a difference between price and their respective utility value for what is traded. This producer and consumer surplus is explicitly distinct from externalities.

If there is a currency deal between the US and Argentina, the consequences to those countries are not an externality. However, if this deal produces a 2nd order change in the Chinese RMB, some would call that an externality, although I would call it a consequence (because externality implies mispricing)

Re: Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday

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I’m just curious - if you were to try making a decentralized currency as a fun project, what mechanism would you use instead? I’m someone who doesn’t really use it, but was fascinated with it before “blockchain” became a buzzword. edit: proof-of-work. I have been out of the loop for years :) My next question is are there downsides to proof-of-stake, and why has bitcoin not moved towards it?

Bitcoin's advantage is mainly its name recognition and unchanging nature (== trust and protocol stability). You could never get the necessary support for any meaningful changes. For people who want proof-of-stake there are plenty of coins doing that. Etherium is probably the best known most established option. But no coin really solves the other big challenge of crypto-currency: barely anyone uses them as currency. M…

>But no coin really solves the other big challenge of crypto-currency: barely anyone uses them as currency

Monero mostly is. What's also important, monero users are also against any kind of speculation. Of course most monero transactions are probably related to illegal activity, but they are in fact used as cash would.

Re: Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday

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There is Binance US and Binance the global version. I expect Binance US to be tailored to US laws and regulations, but are you implying the global version is also under tight US govt control?

Yes, global banks also fall under US control if they want to transact with anything in the US financial system. Less so if they don’t have American customers, but they still do have to follow American laws. For example several very old Swiss banks have been shut down by US regulators because they were doing business in the US with US citizens and their secrecy was being used to break US law by Americans.

The decrease in the number of Swiss banks prior to the UBS-Credit Suisse merger was largely a product of Swiss bank consolidation in the 1990s, not the US shutting them down. UBS and Swiss Bank Corporation were the first and third largest Swiss banks when they merged in 1998. Credit Suisse was the second largest Swiss Bank when they acquired Switzerland's then fourth largest bank, Volksbank in 1993 and they had also acquired Switzerlands oldest bank, Bank Leu just a few years before that.

Re: Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is Binance US and Binance the global version. I expect Binance US to be tailored to US laws and regulations, but are you implying the global version is also under tight US govt control?

Yes, global banks also fall under US control if they want to transact with anything in the US financial system. Less so if they don’t have American customers, but they still do have to follow American laws. For example several very old Swiss banks have been shut down by US regulators because they were doing business in the US with US citizens and their secrecy was being used to break US law by Americans.

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Re: Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday

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Yes, global banks also fall under US control if they want to transact with anything in the US financial system. Less so if they don’t have American customers, but they still do have to follow American laws. For example several very old Swiss banks have been shut down by US regulators because they were doing business in the US with US citizens and their secrecy was being used to break US law by Americans.

Do you have a source for that? It sounds interesting and I want to learn more, as I was not aware of anything like this happening.

AFAIK significant banks didn't really shut down over FATCA, some have paid fines or higher tax rates and most of them do the minimum for anyone who matches any of the criteria for persecuting a possible US person, within the limits of the institution's local laws, if any.

From a general government structure POV, I respected a Congress more than the prevalent US views, but I don't respect the US Congress any more.

Re: Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday

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His "fortune" is mostly ownership of Binance which is now under the thumb of the US government. If—as widely theorized—Binance's secret ingredient is crime then it's not going to be worth what it once was.

Google says net worth 60bn. I think he'll be ok even if that goes down a bit.

Re: Binance founder 'CZ' leaves prison on Friday

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> My next question is are there downsides to proof-of-stake, and why has bitcoin not moved towards it? There are minor downsides in theory. Proof-of-stake is a bit less "democratic" and gives more voting share to those who have more money, vs. just are mining. In practice, proof-of-stake coins seem to be doing fine. The main one here is Ethereum. The main reason Bitcoin hasn't is due to inertia and the interest for m…

Wasn't there a few times when one of the large cryptocurriencies were almost under control of large mining pools where their combined computation would have gone over half? That seems like another "who has more money".

With Proof-of-Work, "rich get richer" is a side effect.

With Proof-of-Stake, "rich get richer" is essentially coded into law.

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