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TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by poopbutt10 »

mrmetanoia wrote: post #371
poopbutt10 wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate skepticism and differing opinions, but I'm always surprised by comments like these because it's just so different from my day-to-day usage. Like, are we using entirely different products? How are we getting such different results?

I think the difference is people on HN are using these "AI" tools as coding assistance. For which, if you know what you're doing, they are pretty useful. They save trips to stack overflow or documentation diving and can spit out code that often is less time to fix/customize than it would have been to write. Cool. A lot of the rest of the world are using it for other things. And at these other things, the results are…

I don't see why my personal anecdote is any less useful than GP's claim. GP's comment isn't nuanced skepticism about product gaps, or concrete examples of inaccuracy. It's a wholesale dismissal of any utility. AGI isn't even mentioned in the article. This also seems "next to useless".

I appreciate your anecdotes on failures/embarrassment for people outside of tech- there's pretty clearly a gap in experience, understanding, and marketing hype.

I don't think it's useless to ask what that gap is, and why GP got such poor results.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by nojvek »

wg0 wrote: post #99

> OpenAI’s business model, as it exists today, doesn’t really inspire confidence, as it seems to exist on the promise of ‘jam tomorrow.’ Specifically, the firm has an income of approximately $3 billion per year, which is put in deep shade by its $7 billion annual expenditure. So a yearly loss of 4 billion dollars or losing $10 million daily. The IPOs basically (mostly) have been operating just the way Bitcoin has bee…

Where are you getting $3B ARR number? curious about source.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by leobg »

FireBeyond wrote: post #499
leobg wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on whose viewpoint you read. He was the biggest shareholder and received $176 million when PayPal was sold to eBay. He was there from the beginning. And he wasn’t the marketing guy. Whether you like him or not, that’s all very different from Altman.

He wasn't there from the beginning. PayPal was trademarked and was at MVP stage when they merged. He was the biggest shareholder, absolutely. His operational input to PayPal was four months in 2000, before being fired. Since then his involvement was "collecting shareholder dividends". He wasn't the marketing guy. He was the guy who got fired because his tenure as CEO was "I don't understand this Java stuff, and I wan…

You worked there at the time?

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by wslh »

svat wrote: post #498
wslh wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I'm saying is that the two articles are not the same. For example, the term "moonshot" as in "Moonshot dreams crash to earth at TSMC" is specific to one article and not the other. I think it sets a clearer tone, even if one is based on the other.

Do I understand correctly: you seem to be saying that the original (NYT) article is "more insightful about the complexity and reality of making chips" , and "covers more of the complexities" , while the summary (Tom's Hardware) article "focuses more on personality clashes, losing some of the nuanced details" — and therefore you prefer the TH article (less insightful about the complexity and nuance), because "it sets…

It seems you're questioning my preference, but I'm simply pointing out that I find the tone and emphasis in the TH article clearer, even though it's less detailed. I'm free to prefer the presentation of one article over another, regardless of complexity.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by svat »

wslh wrote: post #504
svat wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do I understand correctly: you seem to be saying that the original (NYT) article is "more insightful about the complexity and reality of making chips" , and "covers more of the complexities" , while the summary (Tom's Hardware) article "focuses more on personality clashes, losing some of the nuanced details" — and therefore you prefer the TH article (less insightful about the complexity and nuance), because "it sets…

It seems you're questioning my preference, but I'm simply pointing out that I find the tone and emphasis in the TH article clearer, even though it's less detailed. I'm free to prefer the presentation of one article over another, regardless of complexity.

The personal preference is fine, just trying to make sure I understood correctly the discussion between you and the root poster. As a reader, it was a bit confusing to read something that starts with “Sorry, but I think the original article is more insightful…” and have it turn out that this (being more insightful) was intended as a problem.

Both of the first two comments you posted seemed to be positive about the NYT article over the TH one — I had not previously encountered “insightful” used negatively, or “losing nuance” used positively — so perhaps a different choice of words would have made it clearer (to me).

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Post by tim333 »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #414
bdndndndbve wrote: post #10

The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

One time long ago there were people living on an island who had never had contact with anybody else. They marveled at the nature around them and dreamed of harnessing it. They looked up at the moon at night and said "Some day we will go there." But they lived in grass huts and the highest they had ever been off the ground was when they climbed a tree. One day a genius was born on the island. She built a structure tal…

Impressive stepladder.

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Post by calf »

lizknope wrote: post #273

I read the NY Times article that someone else linked to in the thread. I've been in semiconductor / chip design for almost 30 years at 8 different companies including 2 that owned their own fabs. I've also worked on 2 different AI accelerator chips. Altman sounds like someone who has no idea about the industry. The numbers in the article are laughable. This quote summed it up. > It is still unclear how all this would…

He's a Steve Jobs type C-level manager. The actual knowledge people are scientists such as Ilya Sutskever et al., many of whom left their company over the past year.

The question is whether LLMs are going to plateau. Either OpenAI and the tech industry system can keep progress going, or else more basic science is needed, in which case a government-project level of coordination is needed instead.

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Post by TheCondor »

dmix wrote: post #411
TheCondor wrote: post #322

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It’s not snark, our industry is run on fear. If there is the tiniest flicker of potential, we will spend piles of money out of fear of being left behind. As you age, it becomes harder to deny.. 10 years ago, I was starting to believe that my kids would never learn to drive or possibly buy a car, here we are ten years later and not that much has changed, I know you can take a robotaxi in some cities but nearly all int…

That doesn't mean this is a bad investment for VCs. GPT is being directly integrated in iOS and is a top app on both markets. We've also barely scrapped the surface for potential niche applications that go beyond just a generalist chatbox interface. API use will likely continue to explode as the mountain of startups building off it come online. Voice stuff will probably kill off Alexa/Google Home. I don't think the b…

Don’t get me wrong, there is some very cool and useful stuff there. I think it’s a bit disingenuous to even talk about AGI at this point though and when you look at the power requirements and the need for $7trillion in investment just to build chips, I really don’t know. Underdeliver and AI loses some of the hype again, and like the parent post said, it will be a long winter. Are gpts worth more than Apple, MS, Alphabet and Amazon all together?

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by threeseed »

anon291 wrote: post #319
threeseed wrote: post #15

So many weird things going on with this. a) Given how geopolitical semiconductors and AI are right now. Why he is running around the world running his mouth seemingly without the cooperation of the US government. b) What does Microsoft have to say about OpenAI building a parallel cloud. c) OpenAI has zero competence in designing and building their own end to end stack but yet they are going to jump straight to $7T wo…

> a) Given how geopolitical semiconductors and AI are right now. Why he is running around the world running his mouth seemingly without the cooperation of the US government. As an American citizen you don't need to cooperate with the US government to talk to other people.

> Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

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