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Post by closeparen »

skydhash wrote: post #614
1dom wrote: post #558

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I like this take on modern tech motivations. The thing that I struggle with is I agree with it, but I also get a lot of value in using AI to make me more productive - to me, it feels like it lets me focus on producing substance and actions, freeing me up from having to some tedious things in some tedious ways. Without getting into the debate about if it's productive overall, there are certain tasks which it feels irr…

Just one nitpick. The thing about test is that it’s repetitive enough to be automated (in a deterministic way) or abstracted into a framework. You don’t need an AI to generate it.

While I occasionally have the pleasure of creating or working with a test suite that's interesting and creative relative to the code under test, the vast majority of unit tests by volume are slop. Does it call the mock? Does it use the return value? Does "if err != nil { return err }" in fact stop and return the error?

This stuff is a perfect candidate for LLM generation.

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Post by precompute »

throwaway123198 wrote: post #559

I'm bored of IT. Software is boring, AI included. None of this feels like progress. We've automated away white collar work...but we also acknowledge most white collar work is busy work that's considered a bullcr*p job. We need to get back to innovation in manufacturing, materials etc. i.e. the real world.

Accelerating hamster wheel

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Post by precompute »

buddhistdude wrote: post #432
righthand wrote: post #429

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Your UI library is just a stripped down React clone. The code wasn’t generated but rather copied, these test cases and functions are identical to React. I could have done the same thing with a “build your own react” article. This is what I don’t get about the LLM hype is that 99% of the examples are people claiming they invented something new with it. We had code generators before LLM-hype took off. Now we have code…

no programmer in my company invents things often

It's a matter of truth and not optics.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by BrouteMinou »

koliber wrote: post #45

I am approaching AI with caution. Shiny things don't generally excite me. Just this week I installed cursor, the AI-assisted VSCode-like IDE. I am working on a side project and decided to give it a try. I am blown away. I can describe the feature I want built, and it generates changes and additions that get me 90% there, within 15 or so seconds. I take those changes, and carefully review them, as if I was doing a cod…

If you are another "waterboy" doing crud applications, the problem has been solved a long time ago.

What I mean by that is, the "waterboy" (crud "developer") is going to fetch the water (sql query in the database), then bring the water (Clown Bob layer) to the UI...

The size of your Clown Bob layer may vary from one company to another...

This has been solved a long time ago. It has been a well-paid clerk job that is about to come to an end.

If you are doing pretty much anything else, the AI is pathetically incapable of doing any piece of code that makes sense.

Another great example, yesterday, I wanted to know if VanillaOs was using systemD or not. I did scroll through their frontpage but I didn't see anything, so I tried the AI Chat from duckduckgo. This is a frontend for AI chatbots that includes ChatGPT, Llama, Claude and another one...

I started my question by: "can you tell me if VanillaOS is using runit as the init system?"... I wanted initially ask if it was using systemd, but I didn't want to _suggest_ systemd at first.

And of course, all of them told me: "Yeah!! It's using runit!".

Then for all of them I replied, without any fact in hands: "but why on their website they are mentioning to use systemctl to manage the services then?".

And... of course! All of them answered: "Ooouppsss, my mistake, VanillaOS uses systemD, blablabla"....

So at the end, I still don't know which init VanillaOS is using.

If you are trusting the AI as you seem to do, I wish you the best luck my friend... I just hope you will realize the damage you are doing to yourself by "stopping" coding and letting something else do the job. That skill, my friend, is easily lost with time; don't let it evaporate from your brain for some vaporware people are trying to sell you.

Take care.

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Post by SllX »

matwood wrote: post #385
rich_sasha wrote: post #370

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Some great grand ancestor of mine was a civil servant, a great achievement given his peasant background. The single skill that enabled it was the knowledge of calligraphy. He went to school and wrote nicely and that was sufficient. The flip side was, calligraphy was sufficient evidence for both his education to whoever hired him, and for a recipient of a document, of its official nature. Calligraphy itself or course…

> We can no longer assume that a book is legit simply because it looks legit. The problem is that this has been an issue for a long time. My first interactions with the internet in the 90s came along with the warning "don't automatically trust what you read on the internet". I was speaking to a librarian the other day who teaches incoming freshman how to use LLMs. What was shocking to me is that the librarian said a…

> The problem is that this has been an issue for a long time. My first interactions with the internet in the 90s came along with the warning "don't automatically trust what you read on the internet".

I received the same warnings, actually it was more like “don’t trust everything you read on the internet”, but it quickly became apparent that the last three words were redundant, and could have been rephrased more accurately as “don’t trust everything you read and hear and see”.

Our parents and teachers were living with their own fallacious assumptions and we just didn’t know it at the time, but most information is very pliable. If you can’t change what someone sees, then you can probably change how they see it.

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Post by trilobyte »

techdmn wrote: post #547
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #478

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Google didn't change it, it embodied it. The problem isn't AI, it's the pervasive culture of PR and advertising which appeared in the 50s and eventually consumed its host. Western industrial culture was based on substance - getting real shit done. There was always a lot of scammery around it, but the bedrock goal was to make physical things happen - build things, invent things, deliver things, innovate. PR and ad cul…

Thank you, you've stated this all very clearly. I've been thinking about this in terms of "doing work", where you care about the results, and "performing work", where you care about how you are evaluated. I know someone who works in a lab, and pointed out that some of the equipment being used was out of spec and under-serviced to the point that it was essentially a random number generator. Caring about this is "doing…

This is a pretty clear summary of a real problem in most work environments. I have some thoughts about why, but I'm holding onto your articulation to ruminate on in the future.

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Post by whoomp12342 »

here is where you are wrong about AI lacking creativitivy:

AI Music is bland and boring. UNLESS IF YOU KNOW MUSIC REALLY WELL. As a matter of fact, it can SPAWN poorly done but really interesting ideas with almost no effort

"What if curt cobain wrote a song that was then sung by johnny cash about waterfalls in the west" etc.

That idea is awful, but when you generate it, you might get snippets that could turn into a wholey new HUMAN made song.

The same process is how I forsee AI helping engineering. its not replacing us, its inspring us.

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Post by llm_trw »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #478
Roark66 wrote: post #352

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>The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die Do you think AI has changed that in any way? I remember the sea of excrement overtaking genuine human written content on the Internet around mid 2010s. It is around that time when Google stopped pretending they are a search company and focused on their pr…

Google didn't change it, it embodied it. The problem isn't AI, it's the pervasive culture of PR and advertising which appeared in the 50s and eventually consumed its host. Western industrial culture was based on substance - getting real shit done. There was always a lot of scammery around it, but the bedrock goal was to make physical things happen - build things, invent things, deliver things, innovate. PR and ad cul…

>Western industrial culture was based on substance - getting real shit done. There was always a lot of scammery around it, but the bedrock goal was to make physical things happen - build things, invent things, deliver things, innovate.

For a very short period between 1945 to 1980 while the generation who remembered the great depression and WWII was in charge. It's been longer since that's not been the case. And it wasn't the case for most of history before then.

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Post by cookingrobot »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

Idea: we should make sure we keep track of what the human created content is, so that we don’t get confused by AI edits of everything in the future.

For ex, calculate the hash of all important books, and publish that as the “historical authenticity” check. Put the hashes on some important blockchain so we know it’s unchanged over time.

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Post by Palmik »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #327
Palmik wrote: post #25

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The only entities that will win with these lawsuits are the likes of Disney, large legacy news media companies, Reddit, Stack Overflow (who are selling content generated by their users), etc. Who will also win: Google, OpenAI and other corporations that enter exclusive deals, that can more and more rely on synthetic data, that can build anti-recitation systems, etc. And of course the lawyers. The lawyers always win.…

Honestly the most depressing thing about this entire affair is seeing not the entire, certainly but a sizable chunk of the software development community jump behind OpenAI and company’s blatant theft on an industrial scale of the mental products of probably literally billions of people (not the least of whom is other software developers! ) with absolutely not the slightest hint of concern about what that means for t…

That's not necessarily my position. I think laws can evolve, but they need to be applied fairly. In this case, it's heading in a direction where only the blessed will be able to compete.
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