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Post by dmix »

TheCondor wrote: post #322
JanSt wrote: post #16

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Using Claude 3.5 Sonnet in Cursor Composer already shows huge benefits for coding. I'm more productive than ever before. The models are still getting better and better. I'm not saying AGI is right around the corner or that we will reach it, but the benefits are undeniable. o1 added test-time compute. No need to be snarky.

It’s not snark, our industry is run on fear. If there is the tiniest flicker of potential, we will spend piles of money out of fear of being left behind. As you age, it becomes harder to deny.. 10 years ago, I was starting to believe that my kids would never learn to drive or possibly buy a car, here we are ten years later and not that much has changed, I know you can take a robotaxi in some cities but nearly all int…

That doesn't mean this is a bad investment for VCs. GPT is being directly integrated in iOS and is a top app on both markets. We've also barely scrapped the surface for potential niche applications that go beyond just a generalist chatbox interface. API use will likely continue to explode as the mountain of startups building off it come online. Voice stuff will probably kill off Alexa/Google Home.

I don't think the bulk of this VC money is predicated on AGI being around the corner.

But the general trend hopping nature of big VC money is real. Still, VCs manage to continue to make a profit despite this, otherwise the industry would have died off or shrunk the 10 other years HN critiqued this behaviour, so on the whole they must be doing something right.

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Post by airstrike »

stackghost wrote: post #398
airstrike wrote: post #361

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I swear I read this exact same thread in nearly every post about OpenAI on HN. It's getting to a point where it almost feels like it's all generated by LLMs

You mean the standard refrain of "we too are stochastic parrots"? Yes, that argument gets trotted out over and over. LLM proponents seem unwilling to accept that we comprehend the words we speak/write in a way that LLMs are not capable of doing.

I was referring to the whole thread, so it includes the "LLMs are nothing but stochastic parrots" bit too.

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Post by fhd2 »

fellowmartian wrote: post #332
fhd2 wrote: post #193

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Exactly. And now, a possibly terrifying question: What if there just is not going to be a "next big thing"? Population size is about to peak. Up until now, for as long as we know, it has been growing. Starting at the latest with colonisation, we've had more people, more resources, new markets advancing into buyers of new products. Once societies advance to a certain point, they begin to shrink, this is well studied.…

I’m not the biggest AI fanboy, but AI is the solution to this. You’re right that the population is about to peak, and we’ll stop adding biological brains that can come up with new things, but if we crack real AGI then we’ll have many more orders of magnitude of mechanical brains that can do the same.

I think the most interesting aspect about this is that improvements in robotics could help us eliminate some truly gruesome jobs we currently rely on something bordering on slave labour for. Pricking fruits and vegetables for example is AFAIK for the most part still manual labour. And food is, as opposed to, say, ad targeting, a pretty fundamental requirement for us.

But that's not really growth, it's optimisation. That is exactly the kind of thing that a company that stopped growing does. That wouldn't necessarily make it "the next big thing" though, in the "new frontier" ways we've seen in the past.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

bdndndndbve wrote: post #10

The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

One time long ago there were people living on an island who had never had contact with anybody else. They marveled at the nature around them and dreamed of harnessing it. They looked up at the moon at night and said "Some day we will go there."

But they lived in grass huts and the highest they had ever been off the ground was when they climbed a tree.

One day a genius was born on the island. She built a structure taller than the tallest tree. "I call it a stepladder," she said. The people were amazed. They climbed the stepladder and looked down upon the treetops.

The people proclaimed "All we have to do now is make this a little higher and we can reach the moon!"

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Post by jazzyjackson »

archerx wrote: post #29
jsheard wrote: post #20

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There's no accounting for taste, but keep in mind that all of these services are currently losing money, so how much would you actually be willing to pay for the service you're currently getting in order to let it break even? There was a report that Microsoft is losing $20 for every $10 spent on Copilot subscriptions, with heavy users costing them as much as $80 per month. Assuming you're one of those heavy users, wo…

I can already pay $0 a month and use uncensored local models for both text and images. Llama, Mixtral, Stable diffusion and Flux are a lot of fun and free to run locally, you should try them out.

VRAM isn't free, you just put it in the capex pile instead of opex

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Post by skywhopper »

sensanaty wrote: post #202
Roark66 wrote: post #139

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I can't understand how anyone can use these tools (copilot especially) to make entire projects from scratch and expand them later. They just lead you down the wrong path 90% of the time. Personally I much prefer Chatgpt. I give it specific small problems to resolve and some context. At most 100 lines of code. If it gets more the quality goes to shit. In fact copilot feels like chatgpt that was given too much context.

I hear it all the time on HN that people are producing entire apps with LLMs, but I just don't believe it. All of my experiences with LLMs have been that for anything that isn't a braindead-simple for loop is just unworkable garbage that takes more effort to fix than if you just wrote it from scratch to begin with. And then you're immediately met with "You're using it wrong!", "You're using the wrong model!", "You're…

I think to the extent this works for some people it’s as a way to trick their brains into “fixing” something broken rather than having to start from scratch. And for some devs, that really is a more productive mode, so maybe it works in the end.

And that’s fine if the dev realizes what’s going on but when they attribute their own quirks to AI magic, that’s a problem.

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Post by [deleted] »

f1shy wrote: post #120
renegade-otter wrote: post #107

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I have yet to watch people be THAT more productive using, say, Copilot. Outside of some annoying boilerplate that I did not have to write myself, I don't know what kind of code you are writing that makes it all so much easier. This gets worse if you are using less trendy languages. No offense, but I have only seen people who barely coded before describe being "very productive" with AI. And, sure, if you dabble, these…

I’ve tried enough times to generate code with AI: any attempt to generate non absolutely trivial piece of code that I can do intoxicated and sleep deprived, is just junk. It takes more time and effort to correct the AI output as starting from 0. Let’s see in some years… long winter ahead.

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Post by PointyFluff »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #414
bdndndndbve wrote: post #10

The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

One time long ago there were people living on an island who had never had contact with anybody else. They marveled at the nature around them and dreamed of harnessing it. They looked up at the moon at night and said "Some day we will go there." But they lived in grass huts and the highest they had ever been off the ground was when they climbed a tree. One day a genius was born on the island. She built a structure tal…

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Post by skywhopper »

cml123 wrote: post #210
binocarlos wrote: post #30

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I would pay hundreds of dollars per month for the combination of cursor and claude - I could not get my head around it when my beginner lever colleague said "I just coded this whole thing using cursor". It was an entire web app, with search filters, tree based drag and drop GUIs, the backend api server, database migrations, auth and everything else. Not once did he need to ask me a question. When I asked him "how lon…

yes, but does your colleague even fully understand what was generated? Does he have a good mental map of the organization of the project? I have a good mental map of the projects I work on because I wrote them myself. When new business problems emerge, I can picture how to solve them using the different components of those applications. If I hadn't actually written the application myself, that expertise would not exi…

I wouldn’t even be so sure the application “works”. All we heard is that it has pretty UI and an API and a database, but does it do something useful and does it do that thing correctly? I wouldn’t be surprised if it totally fails to save data in a restorable way, or to be consistent in its behavior. It certainly doesn’t integrate meaningfully with any existing systems, and as you say, no human has any expertise in how it works, how to maintain it, troubleshoot it, or update it. Worse, the LLM that created it also doesn’t have any of that expertise.

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Post by croes »

mft_ wrote: post #382
Rinzler89 wrote: post #345

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I doubt OpenAI will start challenging TSMC at building chips anytime soon.

Indeed; but laughing at the scale of someone’s ambition (or vision?) might just mean that one’s own is too narrow or limited. After all, there are lots of narrow-minded, un-visionary folks out there. Just because there’s an anti-Altman/-OpenAI sentiment on HN at the moment, it doesn’t mean that he’s wrong about everything, nor the people at TSMC are necessarily right.

SpaceX needed NASA money.

Where does Altmann get $7 trillion dollars

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