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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by hyggetrold »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

> The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die.

This has nearly always been true. "Manufacturing consent" is way older than any digital technology.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by digging »

t420mom wrote: post #290
koliber wrote: post #45

I am approaching AI with caution. Shiny things don't generally excite me. Just this week I installed cursor, the AI-assisted VSCode-like IDE. I am working on a side project and decided to give it a try. I am blown away. I can describe the feature I want built, and it generates changes and additions that get me 90% there, within 15 or so seconds. I take those changes, and carefully review them, as if I was doing a cod…

I don't really want to increase the amount of time I spend doing code reviews. It's not the fun part of programming for me. Now, if you could switch it around so that I write the code, and the AI reviews it, that would be something. Imagine if your whole team got back the time they currently spend on performing code reviews or waiting for code reviews.

> Now, if you could switch it around so that I write the code, and the AI reviews it, that would be something.

I'm sort of doing that. I'm working on a personal project in a new language and asking Claude for help debugging and refactoring. Also, when I don't know how to create a feature, I might ask it to do so for me, but I might instead ask it for hints and an overview so I can enjoy working out the code myself.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

> If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply cannot keep up with the competition. You're out.

Only if you're competing on volume.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #522
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly the most depressing thing about this entire affair is seeing not the entire, certainly but a sizable chunk of the software development community jump behind OpenAI and company’s blatant theft on an industrial scale of the mental products of probably literally billions of people (not the least of whom is other software developers! ) with absolutely not the slightest hint of concern about what that means for t…

Do you consider it theft because of the scale? If I read something you wrote and use most of a phrase you coined or an idea for the basis of a plotline in a book I write, as many authors do, currently it's counted as being all my own work. I feel like the argument is akin to some countries considering rubbish, the things you throw away, to still be owned by your person ie "dumpster diving" is theft. If a company had…

This argument has been stated and re-stated multiple times, this notion that use of information should always be free, but it fails to account for the fact that OpenAI is not consuming this written resource as a source of information but rather as a tool for training LLMs, which it has been open about from the beginning is a thing it wishes to sell access to as a subscription service. These are fundamentally not the same. ChatGPT/Copilot do not understand Python, they are not minds that read a bunch of python books and learned python skills they can now utilize: they are language models, that internalized metric tons of weighted averages of python code and can now (kind of) write their own, based on minimizing "error" relative to the code samples they ingest. Because of this, Copilot has never and will never write code it hasn't seen before, and by extension of that, it must see a whole lot of code in order to function as well as it does.

If you as a developer look at how one would declare a function in python, review a few examples, you now know how to do that. Copilot can't say the same. It needs to see dozens, hundreds, perhaps thousands of them to reasonably accurately be counted on to accomplish that task, it's just how the tech works. Ergo, scaled data sets that can accomplish this teaching task now have value, if the people doing that training are working for high-valuation startups with the objective of selling access to code generating robots.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

>In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough

This was never the case in the past.

The displaced workers of yesteryear were never at all considered, and were in fact dismissed outright as "Luddites", even up until the present day, all for daring to express the social and financial losses they experienced as a result of automation. There was never any "it's going to be okay, they can just go work in a factory, lol". The difference between then and now is that back then, it was lower class workers who suffered.

Today, now it's middle class workers who are threatened by automation. The middle is sighing loudly because it fears it will cease to be the middle. Middles fear they'll soon have to join the ranks of the untouchables - the bricklayers, gravediggers, and meatpackers. And they can't stomach the notion. They like to believe they're above all that.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by unshavedyak »

hyggetrold wrote: post #561
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

> The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. This has nearly always been true. "Manufacturing consent" is way older than any digital technology.

Agreed. I also suspect we've grown to rely on the crutch of trust far too much. Faulty writing has existed for ages but now suddenly because the computer is the thing making it up we have an issue with it.

I guess it depends on scope. I'm imaging scientific or education. Ie things we probably shouldn't have relied on Blogs to facilitate, yet we did. For looking up some random "how do i build a widget?", yea AI will probably make it worse. For now. Then it'll massively improve to the point that it's not even worth asking how to build the widget.

The larger "scientific or education" is what i'm concerned about, and i think we'll need a new paradigm to validate. We've been getting attacked on this front for 12+ years, AI is only bringing this to light imo.

Trust will have to be earned and verified in this word-soup world. I just hope we find a way.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by amiantos »

I'm tired of people complaining about AI stuff, let's move on already. But based on the votes and engagement on this post, complaining about AI is still a hot ticket to clicks and attention, even if people are just regurgitating the exact same boring takes that are almost always in conflict with each other: "AI sure is terrible, isn't it? It can't do anything right. It sucks! It's _so bad_. But, also, I am terrified AI is going to take my job away and ruin my way of life, because AI is _so good_."

Make up your mind, people. It reminds me of anti-Apple people who say things like "Apple makes terrible products and people only buy them because... because... _they're brainwashed!_" Okay, so we're supposed to believe two contradictory points at once: Apple products are very very bad, but also people love them very much. In order to believe those contradictory points, we must just make up something to square them, so in the case of Apple it's "sheeple!" and in the case of AI it's... "capitalism!" or something? AI is terrible but everyone wants it because of money...? I don't know.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by visarga »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #4

I am tired and hungry… The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models. So funny that copyright is important when it protects elites but not when a billion thefts are committed by LLM folks. Poor incentives for creators to create stuff if it just gets stolen and replicated by AI. I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history by these gang of thieves should be…

> I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history

You want to own abstract ideas because AI can rephrase any specific expression. But that is antithetic to creativity.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

jprete wrote: post #368
senko wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is mixing up two meanings of "art". Mona Lisa doesn't need to be 10000x cheaper. Random illustration on a random blog post sure could. Art as an evocative expression of the artist shouldn't be cheapened. But those freelancers churning content on Fiverr aren't pouring their soul into it.

I absolutely hate AI illustrations on the top of blog posts. I'd rather see nothing.

True, but you need to play the game of including the slop to create the share cards for social media link previews.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Lichtso »

jcranmer wrote: post #513
Lichtso wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lawsuits based on what? Copyright? People crying for copyright in the context of AI training don't understand what copyright is, how it works and when it applies. What they think how copyright works: When you take someones work as inspiration then everything you produce form that counts as derivative work. How copyright actually works: The input is irrelevant, only the output matters. Thus derivative work is what exp…

With all due respect, the lawyers I've seen who commented on the issue do not agree with your assessment. The things that constitute potentially infringing copying are not clearly well-defined, and whether or not training an AI is on that list has of course not yet been considered by a court. But you can make cogent arguments either way, and I would not be prepared to bet on either outcome. Keep in mind also that, le…

Lawyers commenting on this publicly will add their bias to reinforce the stances of their clientele. Thus somebody usually representing the copyright holders will say it is likely infringing and someone usually representing the AI companies will say it is unlikely.

But you are right, we don't know until president is set by a court. I am only warning people that laying back and hoping that copyright will apply as they wish is not a good strategy to defend your work. One should consider alternative legal constructs or simply not releasing material to the general public anymore.

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