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Re: Everything we know about spies is wrong

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> regular citizen Almost, but not quite. She had royal blood on both sides of her father's family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_Inayat_Khan Not that this takes away anything from what you wrote, I just happened to be in one of my pedantic moods :)

royal blood is one of them ideas even worse than the notion of race

Yeah...Declare one person special by birth, and suddenly everyone remotely related claims they're elite too, spreading hierarchy through society...:-)

I recognize only one sovereign:...The Burger King

Re: Everything we know about spies is wrong

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The story of Nora Inayat Khan is an affecting tale of incredible bravery, heroism, and selfless sacrifice. She nearly survived the war, but was captured only days before she was due to be extracted, and died at the hands of one of Germany’s most sadistic torturers. Nora Khan was a “regular” citizen who rose to the moment, committed herself entirely to the allied cause, and nearly single-handedly maintained radio cont…

I was just listening to a podcast that did a season about her [1]. It's kind of in an audiobook style, with some guesses about dialog, which makes it pretty engaging to listen to beyond just that the story itself is interesting.

If you're interested in it, they also did a season on Duško Popov [2] (supposedly the spy that was the inspiration for 007), and one on Aimen_Dean who was an MI6 spy in Al-Qaeda, which includes an interview with him at the end.

[1] https://wondery.com/shows/the-spy-who/season/3/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%C5%A1ko_Popov

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimen_Dean

Re: Everything we know about spies is wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> regular citizen Almost, but not quite. She had royal blood on both sides of her father's family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noor_Inayat_Khan Not that this takes away anything from what you wrote, I just happened to be in one of my pedantic moods :)

royal blood is one of them ideas even worse than the notion of race

I used "royal blood" to mean that she was in some sense privileged -- nothing more.

Bad turn of phrase, I guess.

Re: Everything we know about spies is wrong

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I'm currently reading "Dark Sun: The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb". The first section of the book focuses on the Russian A-Bomb program in the 1940s and how much of it was accelerated through espionage conducted against the US and UK. I'm struck by how painful a slog spying was. These spies were always effectively working two jobs and much of the nuts and bolts of spying and conveying information to handlers sounds like boring, thankless work. Often, the spies were not paid at all. There are excerpts where handlers bemoan the difficulty and lack of compensation of their spies. All-in-all, it sounds like a crappy job. You really had to be a true believer, I guess.

And yet, in the 1940s at least, the Soviets were absolutely looting the Americans. During the lend-lease program between the US and Russia, planes were flown out of Montana to the USSR. US military officers recalled Soviets flying dozens of large briefcases on each flight. Once, a US officer inspected those briefcases and found detailed factory schematics, product and process diagrams and plans, reels and reels of detailed photographs of machinery and parts, and classified documents on the R&D of uranium enrichment. Apparently, in light of this discovery of massive industrial theft, the U.S. took no action.

Re: Everything we know about spies is wrong

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post #21

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royal blood is one of them ideas even worse than the notion of race

Yeah...Declare one person special by birth, and suddenly everyone remotely related claims they're elite too, spreading hierarchy through society...:-) I recognize only one sovereign:...The Burger King

My heart aches for you. As does, no doubt, your stomach.

Re: Everything we know about spies is wrong

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post #21

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royal blood is one of them ideas even worse than the notion of race

Yeah...Declare one person special by birth, and suddenly everyone remotely related claims they're elite too, spreading hierarchy through society...:-) I recognize only one sovereign:...The Burger King

Long may he reign

Re: Everything we know about spies is wrong

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Highly recommend watching The Americans, an incredible show about Soviet spies pretending to be a regular American family. Based somewhat on real people, and very well-researched.

If you’re looking for the IRL version of that story the guy you’re looking for is Jack Barsky.
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