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Post by buddhistdude »

righthand wrote: post #443
buddhistdude wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no programmer in my company invents things often

And so you would accept “hey I spun up a react-create-element project, but instead of React I asked an LLM to copy the parts I needed for react so we have another dependency to maintain instead of tree shaking with webpack” as a useful work?

not necessarily, but it's not less creative and inventive than what I believe most programmers are doing most of the time. there are relatively few people who invent new patterns (and they actually might be overrepresented on this website). the rest learns and applies those patterns.

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Post by klabb3 »

neta1337 wrote: post #273
cubefox wrote: post #250

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

>But superhuman AI seems now only few years away Seems unreasonable. You are afraid because marketing gurus like Altman made you believe that a frog that can make bigger leap than before will be able to fly.

Plus it’s not even defined what superhuman AI means. A calculator sure looked superhuman when it was invented. And it is!

Another analogy is breeding and racial biology which used to be all the hype (including in academia). The fact that humans could create dogs from wolves, looked almost limitless with the right (wrong) glasses. What we didn’t know is that wolf had a ton of genes that played a magic trick where a diversity we couldn’t perceive was there all along, in the genetic material, and it we just helped make it visible. Ie a game of diminishing returns.

Concretely for AI, it has shown us that pattern matching and generation are closely related (well I have a feeling this wasn’t surprising to neuro-scientists). And also that they’re more or less domain agnostic. However, we don’t know whether pattern matching alone is “sufficient”, and if not, what exactly and how hard “the rest” is. Ai to me feels like a person who had a stroke, concussion or some severe brain injury, it can appear impressively able in a local context, but they forgot their name and how they got there. They’re just absent.

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

Roark66 wrote: post #352
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

>The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die Do you think AI has changed that in any way? I remember the sea of excrement overtaking genuine human written content on the Internet around mid 2010s. It is around that time when Google stopped pretending they are a search company and focused on their pr…

>I remember the sea of excrement overtaking genuine human written content on the Internet around mid 2010s.

Things have not changed much really. This was true since the dawn of man-kind (and woman-kind from the man-kind rib of course) even before there writings was invented, in the form of gossip.

The internet/AI now carries on the torch of our ancestral inner calling, lol.

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Post by drstewart »

littlestymaar wrote: post #236
thenaturalist wrote: post #81

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Say what you want about income and asset inequality, but capitalism has done more to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty over the past 50 years than any other religion, aid programme or whatever else. I think it's very important and fair to be critical about how we as a society implement capitalism, but such broad generalization misses the mark immensely. Talk to anyone who grew up in a Communist count…

> but capitalism has done more to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty over the past 50 years than any other religion, aid programme or whatever else. Technology did what you ascribe to Capitalism. Most of the time thanks to state intervention, and the weaker the state, the weaker the growth (see how Asia overperformed everybody else now that laissez-faire policies are mainstream in the West). > Talk to…

Funny how it's technology that outmaneuvered capitalism to lift people out of poverty, but technology is being outmaneuvered by capitalism to endanger the future with AI.

Methinks capitalism is just a bogeyman you ascribe anything you don't like to.

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Post by AI_beffr »

in 2018 we had the first gtp that would babble and repeat itself but would string together words that were oddly coherent. people dismissed any talk of these models having larger potential. and here we are today with the state of AI being what it is and people are still, in essence, denying that AI could become more capable or intelligent than it is right at this moment. after so many years of this zombie argument having its head chopped off and then regrowing, i can only think that it is peoples deep seated humanity that prevents them from seeing the obvious. it would be such a deeply disgusting and alarming development if AI were to spring to life that most people, being good people, are literally incapable of believing that its possible. its their own mind, their human sensibilities, protecting them. thats ok. but it would help keep humanity safe if more people had the ability to realize that there is nothing stopping AI from crossing that threshold and every heuristic is pointing to the fact that we are on the cusp of that.

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Post by dotnet00 »

bitexploder wrote: post #219
ookdatnog wrote: post #162

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Writing a text of decent quality used to constitute proof of work. This is now no longer the case, and we haven't adapted to this assumption becoming invalid. For example, when applying to a job, your cover letter used to count as proof of work. The contents are less important than the fact that you put some amount of effort in it, enough to prove that you care about this specific vacancy. Now this basic assumption h…

This. I am very picky about how I use ML still, but it is unsurpassed as a virtual editor. It can clean up grammar and rephrase things in a very light way, but it gives my prose the polish I want. The thing is, I am a very decent writer. I wrote professionally for 18 years as a part of my job delivering reports of high quality as my work product. So, it really helps that I know exactly what “good” looks like by my st…

Yeah, this is how I use it too. I tend to be a very dry writer, which isn't unusual in science, but lately I've taken to writing, then asking an LLM to suggest improvements.

I know not to trust it to be as precise as good research papers need to be, so I don't take its output, it usually helps me reorder points or use different transitions which make the material much more enjoyable to read. I also find it useful for helping to come up with an opening sentence from which to start writing a section.

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Post by masswerk »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #4

I am tired and hungry… The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models. So funny that copyright is important when it protects elites but not when a billion thefts are committed by LLM folks. Poor incentives for creators to create stuff if it just gets stolen and replicated by AI. I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history by these gang of thieves should be…

> The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models.

I suggest to apply the same to property law: make a photo and obtain instant and unlimited rights of use. – Things may change faster than we may imagine…

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Post by lesuorac »

DanHulton wrote: post #215
koliber wrote: post #45

I am approaching AI with caution. Shiny things don't generally excite me. Just this week I installed cursor, the AI-assisted VSCode-like IDE. I am working on a side project and decided to give it a try. I am blown away. I can describe the feature I want built, and it generates changes and additions that get me 90% there, within 15 or so seconds. I take those changes, and carefully review them, as if I was doing a cod…

I sincerely worry about a future when most people act in this same manner. You have - for now - sufficient experience and understanding to be able to review the AI's code and decide if it was doing what you wanted it to. But what about when you've spent months just blindly accepting" what the AI tells you? Are you going to be familiar enough with the project anymore to catch its little mistakes? Or worse, what about…

I take it you haven't seen the world of HTML cleaners [1]?

The concept of glueing together text until it has the correct appearance isn't new to software. The scale at which it's happening is certainly increasing but we already had plenty of problems from the existing system. Kansas certainly didn't develop their website [2] using an LLM.

IMO, the real problem with software is the lack of a warranty. It really shouldn't matter how the software is made just the qualities it has. But without a warranty it does matter because how its made affects the qualities it has and you want the software to actually work even if it's not promised to.

[1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=html+cleaner

[2]: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046124278/missouri-newspaper...

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Post by llm_trw »

hprotagonist wrote: post #444
llm_trw wrote: post #435

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>That's long gone of course, but we had similar heuristics. To quote someone about this: >>All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life. A book looking legit, a paper being peer reviewed, an expert saying something, none of those things were _ever_ good heuristics. It's just that it was the done thing. Now we have to…

> To quote someone about this: >>All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life. So, same as it ever was? Smoke, nothing but smoke. [That’s what the Quester says.] There’s nothing to anything—it’s all smoke. What’s there to show for a lifetime of work, a lifetime of working your fingers to the bone? One generation goes…

One is a complaint that everything is constantly changing, the other that nothing ever changes. I don't think you could misunderstand what either is trying to say harder if you tried.

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Post by xdennis »

logicchains wrote: post #358
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #327

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Honestly the most depressing thing about this entire affair is seeing not the entire, certainly but a sizable chunk of the software development community jump behind OpenAI and company’s blatant theft on an industrial scale of the mental products of probably literally billions of people (not the least of whom is other software developers! ) with absolutely not the slightest hint of concern about what that means for t…

>blatant theft on an industrial scale of the mental products They haven't been stolen; the creators still have them. They've just been copied. It's amazing how much the ethos on this site has shifted over the past decade, away from the hacker idea that "intellectual property" isn't real property, just a means of growing corporate power, and information wants to be free.

> It's amazing how much the ethos on this site has shifted over the past decade

It hasn't. The hacker ethos is about openness, individuality, decentralization (among others).

OpenAI is open in what it consumes, not what it outputs.

It makes sense to have protections in place when your other values are threatened.

If "information want's to be free" leads to OpenAI centralizing control over the most advanced AI then will it be worth it?

A solution here would be similar to the GPL: even megacorps can use GPL software, but they have to contribute back. If OpenAI and the rest would be forced to make everything public (if it's trained on open data) then that would be an acceptable compromise.

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