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Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

Using Claude 3.5 Sonnet in Cursor Composer already shows huge benefits for coding. I'm more productive than ever before. The models are still getting better and better. I'm not saying AGI is right around the corner or that we will reach it, but the benefits are undeniable. o1 added test-time compute. No need to be snarky.

It's a usefull coding tool - but at the same time it displays a lack of intelligence in the responses provided.

Like it will generate code like `x && Array.isarray(x)` because `x && x is something` is a common pattern I guess - but it's completely pointless in this context.

It will often do roundabout shit solutions when there's trivial stuff built into the tool/library when you ask it to solve some problem. If you're not a domain expert or search for better solutions to check it you'll often end up with slop.

And the "reasoning" feels like the most generic answers while staying on topic, like "review this code" will focus on bullshit rather than prioritizing the logic errors or clearing up underlying assumptions, etc.

That said it's pretty good at bulk editing - like when I need to refactor crufty test cases it saves a bunch of typing.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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I'm confident you have not used Cursor Composer + Claude 3.5 Sonnet. I'd say the level of bugs is no higher than that of a typical engineer - maybe even lower.

It's only as good as its training data. Step outside of building basic web/CRUD apps and its accuracy drops off substantially. Also almost every library it uses is old and insecure.

That last point represents the biggest problem this technology will leave us with. Nobody's going to train LLMs on new libraries or frameworks when writing original code takes an order of magnitude longer than generating code for the 2023 stack.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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I'm confident you have not used Cursor Composer + Claude 3.5 Sonnet. I'd say the level of bugs is no higher than that of a typical engineer - maybe even lower.

It's only as good as its training data. Step outside of building basic web/CRUD apps and its accuracy drops off substantially. Also almost every library it uses is old and insecure.

Yet most work seems to be CRUD related and most SaaS businesses starting up just really need those things mainly.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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idk. about Claude 3.5 but if you remove implicit subventions from the AI/AGI hype then for many such tools the cost to benefit calculation of creating and operating will become ... questionable furthermore the places where such tools tend to shine the most often places where the IT industry has somewhat failed, like unnecessary verbose and bothersome to use tools, missing tooling and troublesome code reuse (so you wr…

Hopefully it will be able to also reduce boilerplate and do reasonable DRY abstractions if repetition becomes too much. E.g. I feel like it should be possible to first blast out a lot of repetitive code and then for LLM to go over all of it and abstract it reasonably, while tests are still passing.

Code generator in the editor has been around for ages and serves primarily to maximise boilerplate and minimise DRY. Expecting the opposite from a new code generator will yield disappointment.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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I would pay hundreds of dollars per month for the combination of cursor and claude - I could not get my head around it when my beginner lever colleague said "I just coded this whole thing using cursor". It was an entire web app, with search filters, tree based drag and drop GUIs, the backend api server, database migrations, auth and everything else. Not once did he need to ask me a question. When I asked him "how lon…

Current LLMs fail if what you're coding is not the most common of tasks. And a simple web app is about as basic as it gets. I've tried using LLMs for some libraries I'm working on, and they failed miserably. Trying to make an LLM implement a trait with a generic type in Rust is a game of luck with very poor chances. I'm sure LLMs can massively speed up tasks like front-end JavaScript development, simple Python script…

I’d bet that about 90% of software engineers today are just rewriting variations of what’s already been done. Most problems can be reduced to similar patterns. Of course, the quality of a model depends on its training data—if a library is new or the language isn’t widely used, the output may struggle. However, this is a challenge people are actively working on, and I believe it’s solvable.

LLMs are definitely suited for tasks of varying complexity, but like any tool, their effectiveness depends on knowing when and how to use them.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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post #16

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Using Claude 3.5 Sonnet in Cursor Composer already shows huge benefits for coding. I'm more productive than ever before. The models are still getting better and better. I'm not saying AGI is right around the corner or that we will reach it, but the benefits are undeniable. o1 added test-time compute. No need to be snarky.

idk. about Claude 3.5 but if you remove implicit subventions from the AI/AGI hype then for many such tools the cost to benefit calculation of creating and operating will become ... questionable furthermore the places where such tools tend to shine the most often places where the IT industry has somewhat failed, like unnecessary verbose and bothersome to use tools, missing tooling and troublesome code reuse (so you wr…

> And that has me worried a bit because it makes it much much less likely for the problem to ever be fixed.

How will that ever get solved, in this universe? Look at what C++ does to C, what TypeScript does to JavaScript, what every standard does to the one before. It builds on top, without fixing the bottom, paving over the holes.

If AI helps generate sane low level code, maybe it will help you make less buffer overflow mistakes. If AI can help test and design your firewall and network rules, maybe it will help you avoid exposing some holes in your CUPS service. Why not, if we're never getting rid of IP printing or C? Seems like part of the technological progress.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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> OpenAI’s business model, as it exists today, doesn’t really inspire confidence, as it seems to exist on the promise of ‘jam tomorrow.’ Specifically, the firm has an income of approximately $3 billion per year, which is put in deep shade by its $7 billion annual expenditure. So a yearly loss of 4 billion dollars or losing $10 million daily. The IPOs basically (mostly) have been operating just the way Bitcoin has bee…

Most of the expense can probably be attributed to training and operating their free-tier. They can shut off both of them any day and become insanely profitable. I don't think people realize the sheer magnitude of reaching $3B ARR in under two years. Is there an AI hype? Sure. Is it a crypto-like bubble just where everyone is just peddling BS? No, not even close.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Current LLMs fail if what you're coding is not the most common of tasks. And a simple web app is about as basic as it gets. I've tried using LLMs for some libraries I'm working on, and they failed miserably. Trying to make an LLM implement a trait with a generic type in Rust is a game of luck with very poor chances. I'm sure LLMs can massively speed up tasks like front-end JavaScript development, simple Python script…

I don't think if complexity is the right metric. front-end JS can easily also become very complex I think a better metric is how close you are to reinventing a wheel for the thousands time. Because that is what LLMs are good at: Helping you write code which nearly the same way has already been written thousands of times. But that is also something you find in backend code, too. But that is also something where we as…

LLM Code Assistants have succeeded at facilitating reusable code. The grail of OOP and many other paradigms.

We should not have an entire industry of 10,000,000 devs reinventing the JS/React/Spring/FastCGi wheel. Im sure those humans can contribute in much better ways to society and progress.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Well.. they are not wrong. Even with the advancements made by OpenAI, some of his takes remind me of a Dollar Store Elon Musk, let alone his despicable way of doing business and seemingly complete lack of any morals. To your average TSMC exec he's closer to a Jake Paul than to a Lisa Su or even Jensen Huang.

There’s likely some racial bias involved, along with hesitancy to align too closely with the US, especially given the strong ties to China during these geopolitically tense times.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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post #16

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Using Claude 3.5 Sonnet in Cursor Composer already shows huge benefits for coding. I'm more productive than ever before. The models are still getting better and better. I'm not saying AGI is right around the corner or that we will reach it, but the benefits are undeniable. o1 added test-time compute. No need to be snarky.

I have yet to watch people be THAT more productive using, say, Copilot. Outside of some annoying boilerplate that I did not have to write myself, I don't know what kind of code you are writing that makes it all so much easier. This gets worse if you are using less trendy languages. No offense, but I have only seen people who barely coded before describe being "very productive" with AI. And, sure, if you dabble, these…

I’ve tried enough times to generate code with AI: any attempt to generate non absolutely trivial piece of code that I can do intoxicated and sleep deprived, is just junk. It takes more time and effort to correct the AI output as starting from 0.

Let’s see in some years… long winter ahead.

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